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    Melbourne to perth and back drive, anyone ever done it? (long post)

    Gday all,

    I've got my volvo back on the road, and have made my decision, its coming back to tassie with me on the 21st (uni holidays), and i am leaving it back at home to sell. I have been toying with the idea of doing this drive for a while now, and after speaking to my parents, they've agreed to help me out with the costs of it at the end of the year. Basically, I was looking at a 205gti, or a 306XT, or an mi16. But now after driving a late model 405STI, I'm thinking that a 5 speed 405 SRI (93-95 model) might be a good car to get, with a plan to doing this trip in november. Cruise control, enough space, decent fuel economy, comfort and reliablity, plus enough sporting breed to enjoy parts along the way (ie. the adelaide hills [mt gambier] etc)...

    So, its about 3500kms direct trip, and I would estimate maybe another 300-500km of seeing some sights. so 8000kms total, i'd estimate $800-$1000 worth of fuel, due to relatively high fuel costs in some areas. Still, when going with another 2-3 people, it ends up being a cheapish holiday (providing nothing goes spectacularly wrong. )

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    So basically, has anyone ever done it and has anything to say about it? And would a 405 SRI be a decent car to do some touring in? Any info, advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.

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    In mid 2000, i drove with 1 mate from sydney to Canberra, to Melbourne, to Adelaide and straight back to Syd, over a period of 10 days.
    covered just over 7000K's and now i know what i would do diferent.
    Its better with more drivers as you get tired/bored if the road is not interesting. Some are, most aren;t.
    Outback fuel is shit house and expensive and hard to find (espesh Premium).
    You can never have enough good music as there is rarely a good local station.
    Also have a good major service on the car about 2-3 weeks before going on,
    in the 10 days my little 306 was faultless. not 1 hicup, except trying to find fuel.
    A bigger car is definately better as it just seems easier. I don't think id ever drive that far in anything as small as a 306.
    405's are a good car, but anything thats not a falcon/commo in the country gets alot less attention from the parts and repairers, thus why so many of our froggers enjoy the hands on, aproach.
    Take a First aid kit, water, coolant, oil and can of tyre weld and the spare(jack too). Also invest in a good seat or good comfy cover as the ass can get sore well over the hours.
    Sounds like a good trip, but personaly as much as i like my frogs, id hire a cheap (thrifty, nobirds etc) rental camry/falcon and keep the K's low on the frog..... but tis up to you.
    Enjoy and drive safely.
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    ps ive since done about 4 other big drives, and have always used rentals.
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    Do you get a better return for the car in Tassie or Melbourne, or do you want to sell it in TAS because of the registration?

    Gee, every car you look at gets more sensible and "sensibler"

    The 405 Series IIs look smarter than the Series Is. I'd advise against getting the series I if you're going on a long trip, simply because the rattles from the dash will drive you insane (I'm not sure how the Series II fares in this regard, but it does have a different dash). For such a trip, a 405 would be a wiser choice than the go kart 205, and the larger fuel tank will prove to be useful. From what I can gather, the 405s are a fun car to drive, they have a bit more of a raw edge to them than the 406s.

    The trip should be fun. I can perfectly understand why you'd want cruise control.

    I did actually think of doing a 11,000km trip round a good part of Australia in the 307 Then when push came to shove, I realised I had driven the car a lot more than I had initially planned to (heck, it was going to do about 31,000 km a year at one point in time!)

    Still, the range of the car is perfect for that kind of trip.

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    I've done the trip west in Jan '85 Datsun Stanza 6x4 trailor, missus,son and all worldly goods, wrong time of year 50c outside almost 70c in car took 3 days, came back in july 86 Mazda E1600 van, blew a head gasket just before we got to the nullabour kept going slowed us to 80kph tops 2 1/2 days non stop except for fuel. the missus drove while i got shut eye.
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    Once you leave Adelaide fuel is available every 100-km not sure on Premium though.
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    Yeah, i have contemplated buying an EF falcon wagon from the auctions for $3-4k, but the idea of spending that long in such a car does not interest me in the slightest.

    A 405SRI SII with hopefully less than 150,000kms and a full history seems to be attainable for around the 9 grand mark, and is very comfortable for the long trips. I think cruise control would help with the long straight sections, but a 5 speed would be nice for cruising around the SA countryside.

    My general plan would be, to go back to tassie in november, stay there for a week in which i'd fit roof racks, get a full service on the car, buy the tyre weld, a decent sized jerry can/s (maybe 2 40litre jobs), get the two friends (possibly three, one is unconfirmed) that i'd be doing it with, water, coolant, etc. The roof racks are necessary, because we'd be taking our swags.

    As for selling my car, I can get more for it back in Tassie (have already got an offer), and it has 10 months tassie rego.

    Oh, and the other car options are a volvo 940, or even another 740 (non turbo this time, i'm not game to try 7000kms in mine.

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    How about a 960? At least you've got independent rear suspension, and the powertrain is good - the 3.0 24V straight six is good for 150kW and it has a smooth Aisin gearbox. Big fuel tank too, but it's not going to have the same fun factor as the Pugs. Huge boot though - would you need roof racks in a 405, they'd adversely affect your fuel consumption on your long hauls. With only 3-4 people, I'd imagine you should be able to fit enough in the 405s cabin & boot. If you're taking a few people along, the 205s practically of the question.

    760s have that PRV thing, from what I can gather, it was a wise move by Volvo to get rid of it first.

    The 80s were a bit of a learning time for turbos, from what I can gather. Apparently the earlier turbos didn't have adequate cooling for the turbo internals, leading to the bearings coking up, wearing out and seizing. Modern turbos have coolant jackets and high volume oil cooling, alleviating these problems.

    I'd have no problem getting a modern turbo It's something I think PSA should investigate for its smaller cars, given that there really is next to no space for larger engines. The 307 is a car I think that could do with more power for the upper variants.

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    So basically, has anyone ever done it and has anything to say about it? And would a 405 SRI be a decent car to do some touring in? Any info, advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.
    It's a lot longer and a lot more boring then you think. Once you hit west of Adelaide it's pretty much the same. Done it 2 twice ... once with 3 drivers and practically non-stop (40 something hours), would not recommend it dead - you are so buggared it takes 2 days to recover disappro . Did it another time over 5-6 days .. only covering 700 something km's per day ... the trouble is there is a couple of places where accomdation is scant, but you can work around that. Petrol is not really a problem .. but watch closing times at some places. And the same as other people mentioned - take and drink water - either the heat or AC will get to you - like a bad hangover without the party. a_drink

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    Yeah, i've done a bit of the nullabor with my parents a couple of times, and the countryside there is spectacular, and I've never been to Perth, so its definitely something i'd want to check out. Unfortunately, the roof racks would be a necessity, as I doubt the boot of a 405 would handle 3-4 swags (they are pretty big). Accomodation would more be a case of throwing out the swags and sleeping outside. I am contemplating the idea of driving to SA, and exploring it for a few days, but I really want to see WA, and do the Nullarbor, it would be somewhat a personal achievement. And the guys who will be coming with me are good friends, who I trust enough to drive my car. A 960 is well out of my price range, $15k+ for an average one. A 940 is actually a pretty nice economical car, my mother had a twin cam (120kw+ish) one many years ago, except they are awfully rare now. Nice car for cruising, except fairly bland to drive. I think a 405 would be ideal, a wagon would be nice, but i really have no desire to own one... A 740 wagon would be practical.

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    What about a late model 405 SRDT? That would be perfect for a long trip like this. It also garantees a manual gearbox too.

    I guess you should just try test driving heaps of different models at freeway speeds and get a feel for what they are like above 100km/h. Eg, the earlier 405s might have terrible wind noise, or rev too high in 5th to make it an easy, quiet trip.

    I went up to Canberra early this year in a 505 with a sunroof, and it had the most annoying wind wistle! Add on to that its 3spd auto meant 110km/h = not far from 4000rpm.
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    when i was living up in yeppoon i used to drive the Mi-16 from ther to moss vale on the southern highlands generally in one hit (yes i know driver reviver) but the dash in mine never had rattles and then after spending a few days there i would head back again
    i did this trip a few times and it wasn't bad driving
    as for obtaining PULP along the way i used to carry a plastic jerry can just in case i needed it
    once i left rocky there wasn't any PULP to be had till i hit goondiwindi
    the trip from rocky to the border is about 750km's and i used to do it on a tank if i cruised under 150km/h anything over and i had to use my reserve fuel
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    I would kill for an SRDT, but I'm not a dreamer, and I don't have unrealistic expectations, so I'm looking at cars around the $9k mark. A late model 405SRI is looking like the ideal car (def. 5spd), as it seems near impossible to find an STI, let alone find one under 10 grand. Leather would be nice, but on such a trip velour would probably be a better trim. It seems most late model (94/95) SRIs have a fairly rattle free dash, A/C, cruise, and a 5spd gearbox will keep a fairly low cruising RPM at 110-120kmh.

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    nchandler:
    Leather would be nice, but on such a trip velour would probably be a better trim. It seems most late model (94/95) SRIs have a fairly rattle free dash, A/C, cruise, and a 5spd gearbox will keep a fairly low cruising RPM at 110-120kmh.
    Oh .. and don't forget to lookout for "skippys" between sunset and sunrise - even if it means backing off ... on the very long straight bits of road it's actaully quite safe to travel in the very centre of the road - this has 2 advantages
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> A). you have a choice between swerving left or right to avoid something. and
    • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> B). if you have to brake hard (lock-up) the car will be balanced on either side of the road camber
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Needless to say as soon as you see another car (catching or approaching) move back to the proper side, you don't want to confuse them.
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    I'd advise against leather generally speaking, because most people don't know how to take care of it.

    Looks and smells great when its new, but after years of neglect, it looks terrible. Velour seems to age better, so long as there haven't been kids spilling Coke all over the seats, etc.

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    My c3 has velour and its pretty nice. Leather looks awful after many years. My friends old Saab 900 looks awful now and the back seat is cracked and its a turn off when thinking of paying so much extra with leather.
    If i liked a second hand car that had leather and it was nice i would still buy it though...just wouldnt buy new i think.
    (have never driven to melbourne and perth and back, driven to byron and back however quite a nice trip).. 2_cents

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    Gday all,

    I've.......

    So basically, has anyone ever done it and has anything to say about it? And would a 405 SRI be a decent car to do some touring in? Any info, advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks.
    We've done Perth - Adelaide return several times. Adelaide - Melbourne is a pleasant day's drive - hardly counts really.

    Personally, I enjoy Perth to Adelaide. Last few times we've done it in two days, overnighting in Eucla, but that's a bit too far (1400+ km/day). The main issue, dominating all others, is the risk of hitting animals at dusk and dawn - I've driven into Eucla at 60-80 km/h before now!

    We've done it in Subaru Leonie 4WD wagons (fine but for the seats!) and our 306 with cruise control. Fuel stops up to 200 km apart don't matter although premium not always available - just ignore that issue and buy what's there, and drive to avoid pinging!

    I'd have thought a 405 would be a great way to do the trip. Perhaps take serious care with respect to cambelt and water pump age.

    The main reason for enjoying the drive, for me, is the Nullarbor Cliffs which are just awesome. And the changing geology and vegetation.

    Take care with those skippies!!! Take as much care with the speed limits too, as the police are always out hunting on this road.

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    My c3 has velour and its pretty nice. Leather looks awful after many years. My friends old Saab 900 looks awful now and the back seat is cracked and its a turn off when thinking of paying so much extra with leather.
    Leather needs attention ... you can't think it'll survive the harsh Australian climate of you ignore it ... your body sweat also have a very bad effect on it. Most leather in cars is not aniline and it's basically plastic sprayed ontop - sometimes the grain is even pressed on. But you can extend the life of your leather by using a cleaner and conditioner. I use Dr Torks Leather Master every 4-6 months, the kit cleans it and keeps it supple. Well worth the investment and time.

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    leather is the best thing for cars
    buy a car new with it and look after it and it lasts for years
    kids spill something on it no worries
    not overly cold in winter and not stinking hot in summer
    great stuff
    i miss having full leather in the 306
    the 405 i had had full leather and it was the most luxurious looking thing inside
    but then i have had many pugs with leather now
    easy stuff to look after
    just have to be wary of how you get in and out of the car that's all so you don't wear a mark in the side of the seat
    you just have to remember that leather breathes
    feed it every 3-6 months so it stays soft and keeps the stitching intact
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    JohnW:
    We've done it in Subaru Leonie 4WD wagons (fine but for the seats!) and our 306 with cruise control.
    John ... ever thought about coming along to a WA Pug cruise ? See <a href="http://206gti.net/wa/" target="_blank">http://206gti.net/wa/</a> we've usually got a 306GTi6 along with us, and a spattering of other Pugs (206's, 206cc, 406, 205 etc etc).

    <img src="http://206gti.net/wa/drive040503/20030504_001_thumb.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://206gti.net/wa/drive040503/20030504_004_thumb.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://206gti.net/wa/drive090203/20030209_001_thumb.jpg" alt=" - " />

    Next cruise is planned for late July - a fun navigation run.

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    Unfortunately,

    Most don't take care of their leather

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    Pug307:
    Unfortunately,Most don't take care of their leather
    But they'd probably take car of their leather lounge suit ? ... maybe not. I rode in a Merc with proper aniline leather seats once ... just superb, the AC/heating came up through the seats if you wanted ... shows what money can do. (they never cleaned their car anyway ... someone else did it for them every 2 weeks, mmmm the life

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    I am planning this trip in a couple of months in my R25. This is the main reason I am taking out its auto (in perfect nick, but is only a 3speed ie 3200 rpm @100kph, and if it does go pop in the middle of nowhere it will be very boring!!).
    The manual does a more relaxed 2700 rpm @100 kph, and will use less fuel into the bargain.
    Things I have considered are extra fuel, water, first aid, a shitload of CDs, a good mate to help drive and keep the munchies coming.
    A good service prior to going is essential, so you at least know the state of play with the machine. And getting the cruise control fixed is also a priority!
    And of course dont rush it or drive after dark (unless you have a 4wd with a dirty great big bullbar...). I plan to do the trip (one way)over a week, taking in the sights along the way and cruising. Be nice to the car and it will be nice to you.

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    True about leather, my mother has had cars with leather interiors since i was born (Volvos, saabs, etc.) And all had around 150-200,000kms by the time we sold them, and still had perfect leather, simply by cleaning, and nourishing it. Good leather is great, bad leather is terrible. Has anyone ever managed a bumper replacement steel bullbar on a 405?

    If there was a 4WD in my price range, i'd consider it, but I really can't see much under $10k... Why don't peugeot make some 4WDs?!!

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    nchandler:
    Has anyone ever managed a bumper replacement steel bullbar on a 405?

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    Yep. I saw a polished alloy one on a SRDT here in Bendigo. Looked pretty neat. Dont know if it was a custom job or off the shelf, but its doable.
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    there is a 405 in town here that has a bumper replacement bull bar on it so they are out there somewhere
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