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    No more asbestos

    As of the end of this year, the importation and sale of any product containing asbestos will be banned in Australia. So if you prefer brake pads, shoes and clutch plates with asbestos, buy up now!

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    Hi all,

    What is asbestos to be replaced with? Will it be as good?

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    A bit OT, but I heard a while ago, is that the reason why brakes squeal on cars now, is because they are no longer made with asbestos. Anyone know if this is the case??
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    That's certainly the case from what I've been told.

    I'm sure there's legions of 206 and 307 owners that can attest to the wonders of squealy brakes

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    Pug307:
    That's certainly the case from what I've been told.

    I'm sure there's legions of 206 and 307 owners that can attest to the wonders of squealy brakes
    And Xsara owners as well

    Troy.

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    Here's a thread from the UK regarding brakes, brands & experiences.
    Not real long but might help when buying the next set.

    Alan S

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    Most new pads are now asbestos free, but this will affect older classic more than modern car drivers. The reason your brakes squeal is because its a french car - its to let you know that they are still working.

    But seriously, I believe that the newer metal pads are harder (hence the squeal). It also means you tend to go through discs as fast as pads - my old 504 had around 400000 km on it, and I suspect on its original discs (but it also squealed of course).
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    Seems like new FWD cars just go through discs fairly quickly - I was told, it's really nothing extraordinary if you need to replace the front ones on a 306 after 50,000 or so.

    In the old days, who even though about replacing discs! You just put new pads on!

    Having said that, modern cars do brake well in general. Better than most older cars I'd bet too.

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    Pug307:
    That's certainly the case from what I've been told. I'm sure there's legions of 206 and 307 owners that can attest to the wonders of squealy brakes
    My 206 squeals like a stuck pig one day and seems quiet the next, dealer said until they change the pad content, you can't do jack about it. Some people have had good sucess with EBC GreenStuff pads - they use Kevlar as part of their compound and don't generate brake dust (so it says).

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    On my 505 I'm using EBC pads but their standard type, which also contain Kevlar.

    They do produce a fair amount of brake dust, which is quite hard to get off the alloys where the coating has come off...

    There seems to be more dust on the front wheels than the back though, which makes sense since the fronts do most of the braking.

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    Pug307:
    Seems like new FWD cars just go through discs fairly quickly - I was told, it's really nothing extraordinary if you need to replace the front ones on a 306 after 50,000 or so.
    I think the fact that modern cars stop better is why they chew out discs faster. I doubt people 25 years ago would have left braking as hard or as late as we consider normal today.

    The fact that traffic is twice as bad also has a bit to do with it.

    BTW, Alot of manual drivers don't use the gearbox to slow the car down. This is particuarly useful in front wheel drive cars where compression lock-up is not as likely.

    The pads in my fuego have been in for 80000kms, but I use the gearbox probably more than most.

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    I have no idea what pads my 306XSi has on it - but I'd imagine they'd be genuine Peugeot pads as last time it they would have been changed it was serviced by the selling dealer. Still got 75% at front and 85% at rear.

    All I do know is the AMOUNT of brake dust is phenomenal, compared to my old 306. If I don't clean the wheels once a week it's almost impossible to get off. I've been using a mag wheel cleaner.. you leave it for a little while (like a minute) and then start scrubbing with a tooth brush. I washed the car this morning and even after a drive of around 20km there's a light (dark) coating of brake dust on not just the fronts, but all the wheels.

    Anyone know what the pad content of genuine Pug pads is? I know my car has no squeals - neither does the C3 or Clio - but the XM used to be *terrrrible*

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    I'm quite happy to put up with squeel if it allows me to do without asbestos. Asbestos is nasty stuff.
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    I know my eldest fellow changed over to I think it was Kevlar pads a couple of years ago on the CX & was asked if he had Aussie or imported discs on the car.
    When he said imported, the guy he was buying them off, a brake & clutch specialist as well as a racing car mechanic just said that this being the case he "shouldn't have any problems then" which when pressed on his reasoning said the local stuff wears out in no time with these pads fitted.
    This may be why the pads squeal; the pads are slipping on a hardened surface instead of eating into a softer one. mallet mallet

    Could be an explanation for a couple of other postings regarding this noise problem.

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    When I was driving the festy I had really squealy brakes for ages, next service found out the brakes had worn down and they were on the "screamers", telling you to replace the brake pads.
    Then after changing them, when I braked it made a clunky sound, and when I was pulling up at the lights it sound like a horse was pulling up. I didnt like the festy.

    On another note, anyone recommend any good brake pad brands?

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    I've sought out asbestos based pads the last few sets I've bought (3 different cars) as I reckon they definitely give a more powerful and less fade-worthy stop than stock pads like Ferodo etc. I just make sure I clean down the wheels etc. with soapy water before doing anything. They're a cheapy Taiwanese brand called Remtek.

    For you guys that really hate the squeaks, use a product called CRC Disc Brake Squeal (or something similar). It's a rubbery compound you squeeze onto the back of the pads that stops the tiny vibrations that cause squeal. And to be sure, whack a light smear of copper grease where the sides of the pad backing plate rubs in the mount - you'll see where by the shiny spots. Guaranteed no squeaks...

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    Stuey...
    I will agree....
    I bought a similar tube of "goo" for the 505....it kind of locks the pads in to the calliper. Ford did a lot of research on the squeal in brakes when the yrelaesed the EA Falcon.
    After countless hours of testing that was the theory they arrived at too. Squeal comes from the tiny vibration of the pads.

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    Stuey:
    For you guys that really hate the squeaks, use a product called CRC Disc Brake Squeal (or something similar). It's a rubbery compound you squeeze onto the back of the pads that stops the tiny vibrations that cause squeal.
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    My c3 brakes now squeak but my Renault 19 brakes also did.
    Might look at getting that brake squeal stuff.

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    there are squeals and there are squeals. I used to use the CRC stuff on a Volvo and it worked well, up to a point.

    But pads make a huge difference. So does driving behaviour. Lots of gentle braking sometimes leaves a fair amount of crap on the pads and disks. Sometimes just a few good hard stops will sort things out for a while.

    Try a a good thorough clean and make sure nothing is jamming. pads that aren't sliding properly will always squeal. The CRC stuff will damp it for a while, but its no panacea, good as it is.

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    Gem:


    On another note, anyone recommend any good brake pad brands?
    I have EBC greenstuff pads.
    The pads are made with kevlar and are designed to "dust" less making the wheel cleaning a tad easier.
    They perform awesome on the track and brilliantly on the road. In case they squeal I have been advised to upgrade the rotors to slotted which will help with braking (by removing gasses from between the pads and rotors) and should prevent some of the squealing. Just another excuse to spend money on the car really. wink
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    follow up on EBC:

    <a href="http://www.ebcbrakes.com.au/green.htm" target="_blank">EBC website</a>

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    Upgrades brake performance by up to 30-40%, friction co-efficient of 0.46
    Extremely low vibration smooth operation
    Low dust formula - great for alloy wheels
    EBC pads have no Asbestos

    This may sound like an ad, but isnt, I just love my brake feel.
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    Gem, i use (like Tekkie) EBC's green stuff on the S16, and they dust very little, no noise except if wet (ie after car-lovers) and cope well with the extreme track days i do.. so very good for the money, id also recommend a god dot4 fluid too, shame all this generally costs more than oem pug stuff.
    DEKA, those alloys hold more heat that your old XR steelies, thus the greater dust, also ive seen you DRIVE!lol!!
    Cheers
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    ps, notice how brake dust comes off real easy when its dry... but when wet it cakes up.. lucky i don;t have that problem anymore.
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    I dont think there was much difference between OEM and EBC pads in price. Than again the GTI OEM stuff is expensive. I dont know about the S16.

    I never found a problem cleaning the wheels, and the EBC dust seems to come off easier than the PUG dust. Maybe there is just less of it. :p

    I took my PADS (with the car attached to them wink ) twice to wakefield and have done about 10,000kms city driving and there still appears to be lots of material left.

    btw
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    I managed sub 1:19 at wakefield (independent wall timer used) stopping the stopwatch at 78.85 (1:18:85). And Im sure I did some other fast untimed laps. Is your car mobile again? when are you going again?

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    tekkie:
    I dont think there was much difference between OEM and EBC pads in price. Than again the GTI OEM stuff is expensive. I dont know about the S16

    I took my PADS (with the car attached to them wink ) twice to wakefield and have done about 10,000kms city driving and there still appears to be lots of material left.

    btw
    Xqisid,
    I managed sub 1:19 at wakefield (independent wall timer used) stopping the stopwatch at 78.85 (1:18:85). And Im sure I did some other fast untimed laps. Is your car mobile again? when are you going again?
    Cheers to you young Voytek, you are a true Pug Nut!, very good times there.
    now my car is almost ready, one service, radiator clean and starter motor latter, almost there.
    As for brake pads prices, i paid $65 more for the EBC stuff all round than the pug stuff.
    And yes they just simply make less dust, even on a hot lap at wakefield.
    Xq

    ps, tekkie, i might go soon, not sure when but probably this time next month?? ill post up, ok.
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