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    What do we do wrong on the road?

    (I posted the following in a long thread on revenue raising. Dino has suggested its worth starting a new topic and I agree. The original thread looked at what "others" do wrong on the road. Seems to be that a bit of self reflection never goes astray)

    I wonder to what extent the level of "heat" that we see generated in discussion of this issue itself gets reflected in the road accident stats?
    Yes, we all get hot under the collar about things that happen on the roads. I suspect we all get hot under the collar when we are on the roads too, about many of the same things. This isn't a good recipe for survival.
    Maybe instead of reflecting - as we have been (myself included) - about the things that other people do wrong, we should all be concentrating on the things that we sometimes do wrong ourselves, and ways of dealing with them.
    I reckon we all would be able to dig up a bit of a list if we thought about it! Hey, I've been driving for 33 years and I can still come up with far too many.
    Let's see:
    I often take pleasure out of driving round bends faster than the car behind me. Worse, I take pleasure out of driving around bends faster than the car in front of me, to a point where he or she must , for a moment, sometimes be saying "get of my #$$%%^^& arse!"
    I get very impatient with tail-gaters and sometimes use inappropriate means to deal with them (despite my own occasional transgressions of this kind in corners).
    I get hot under the collar about people who drive with their "fog lights" on when the circumstances don't require it, and sometimes even flash them with 400 watts worth of high beam and driving lights.
    I drive too fast through roundabouts.
    I drive too fast over speed bumps and railway crossings
    I get very impatient when people ignore the giveway sign at one end of a one lane bridge near our place, and sometimes even prevent them from completing their crossing (even though, if they do give way , I'll sometimes wave them through.)
    I hate four wheel drives that block my view when pulling out of a parking space or at an intersection , to a point where I sometimes make irrational decisions.
    I sometimes 'enforce" my right to turn right into the righthand lane of a multi-lane road, when a car is turning left into the same street but takes the corner so wide that it ends up in the right hand lane itself. (most people aren't aware that they are actually breaking the law when they do this).
    I get riled by erratic drivers, instead of simply becoming philosophical about it and increasing the size of the "envelope".
    I get riled by cyclists who ride two abreast in the traffic lane in busy traffic when there is a sealed verge. I ride a bike myself, but always use the verge when it is in reasonable condition. Neverthless I know they are within their rights and I shouldn't let it get to me.
    I get cranky , sometimes, with elderly drivers instead of accepting that they are trying to drive within their limits and have as much right and need to be able to use a car as I do.
    No doubt there are others too. The answer to most of them, of course, is patience and getting any "competitiveness" out of my driving on public roads .
    Anyone else ever do anything wrong out there?
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    Good thread Rod.

    I think we all have faults, and we too often tend to focus on the faults of others rather than our own. We should always work on the assumption that everyone has their faults, and we should try our best to eliminate our own and be prepared for other's mistakes and be ready to avoid the consequences, rather than complaining when they happen. Quite often the faults of others are are no worse than our own. I've also noticed that drivers always seem slower to react from a passenger's perspective, probably due to the brain being faster than the body. As passengers we think that when we see something, we would act immediately, when in reality, as a driver there will always be a fraction of a second delay. As passengers, when we see this delay in the driver we perceive it as a slow reaction, when in reality it isn't. It's just that the mind works alot faster than the body and we think we'd be faster than the driver, but if you swap the driver and passenger the perceptions would swap also. It's one of those weird brain time-warp things, like when you fall asleep for 20 minutes, but have a dream which seems to have lasted for hours (I call it the reverse Rip Van-Winkle effect), or when something bad happens (like a crash) time seems to slow down for a couple of seconds.

    My biggest faults are:

    -If I don't put my indicators on slightly early, I often end up putting them on a tad late (due to my concentration on the mirrors, etc, and time passing quickly)

    -My efforts not to slow down too early for a turn or driveway (and thus not hold up the car behind me) can sometimes lead to me braking a tad late and a tad hard and annoying the driver more than if I slowed down a tad early. The result is I find it better just to slow down early and just run the risk of annoying them that way, rather than running the risk of a tail end accident.

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    Oh, I forgot my BIGGEST fault:

    I find it very hard to talk to a passenger and drive safely at the same time. This is most noticeable in traffic. It's like I need more RAM or something.

    It's amazing how the more I learn about the workings of computers, the more I can see the parallels between computers and the human brain, and for that matter the brains of all other animals too. Insects are very like simple micro controller run machines in their actions. I'm also starting to think that despite our delusions of grandeur, our brains are not that different from those of other mammals. It's just that the communication part of our brain is better so we can pass ideas around and learn from others and work collectively which increases the effective size of our brains. It's like 6 billion computers all connected by wireless modems, to increase the effective computing ability. The more we communicate, the better our ability to solve problems, etc.

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    ok....although i could probably turn this thread into a novel, i ll refrain....as i can only TEST misterenos patience for so long....

    So, first, things i used to do wrong when i was a little bit less expereianced:

    1.Drive to fast through unknown streets
    2.Drive very offensively due to my cockiness and arrogance...
    3.Disobey basic road rules...ie.doing u-turns in the middle of signalled intersections
    4.Try and start races....and then make sure i win no matter what....
    5.Speed in cars that were not roadworthy...actually ill correct that...:NOWHERE NEAR ROADWORTY...Bold tyres can only take so much before they go ...BANG...
    6.Drive unregisetered vehicles
    7.Run from the coppers...because car was not registered, unroadworty and unlicenced (it was a long long time ago)

    THEN i actually matured (2 many peoples surprise)(although some people still question my maturity)SO, here are some things that i still do wrong but dont believe are as bad....

    1.Do not indicate always, especially if there is no cars around (a bit like the falling tree in the forest theory)
    2.Still speed occasionally because i m following the rest of the traffic (which is exceeding the speed limit),because its a bloody nice piece of road, because there is no police about, because i m in a hurry (surprise surprise), because i need to go for a leak(just thrown in for good measure-used it once as a genuine excuse...cop laughed his pants of but when i got out of the car and threatend to unzip by the side of the road -he let me go), because the cop (she)was attarctive (ohh shit i m married - so- that one is a lie), because i can, and finnally because some snot nosed kid is trying to show me what a HOT SHOT driver he is...oh... i forgot, having a FAST car doesn t help much either....
    3.Will still park illegaly..very rarely...
    4.Still like to burn rubber in front of my friends (pathetic isn t it...)
    5.Still have no respect for rental cars...i feel sorry for those companies...(love to be a cop for one day...)
    6.Still do those REVERSE turns (reverse, handbrake/cluch, first and burn)on wide open roads....
    7...i think i ll stop now....

    cheers
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    ps...quick mention of things that i HATE and have tryed to STOP doing: EXCESSIVE SPEDEDING..ie140-200kmh...(public roads and stock tyres were not made for this form of stupidity);TAILGATING...i hate it...SPEEDING(even a little bit in narrow streets and low visibility)
    TakING CORNERS TO FAST (you never know whats around the corner) etc etc....

    I know this sounds like a REAL WANK but take a PRAM for A STROLL around town and you d be surprised how it changes your perspective to traffic lights and general cornering...
    CHEERS again and we can all hope "i" ve learned somthing from this...

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    1. Running red lights at night (safely though) when there's no reason to wait so long.

    2. I hate people who dont keep up with the traffic infront of them and as a consequence end up having to stop for a red light (and everyone else behind them!! ). This happened to me yesterday .

    3. Disgust in people that 'cheat' (see 'know the rules' thread) which is merging into the ending left lane at red lights to save 3 car lengths or sometimes one!

    4. Melbourne peak hour driving mallet mallet

    5. Guilty of road rage because of above

    6. I dont mind talking to passengers while i drive but tend to change the conversation and shock the passengers with outbursts of foul language directed at fellow road users

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    renaulturbo:
    5. Guilty of road rage because of above
    What, if anything, do you actually do when you get "road rage", renaulturbo, and what do you think you can do to stop doing so?

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    dino:
    ok....although i could probably turn this thread into a novel, i ll refrain....as i can only TEST misterenos patience for so long....
    Smartarse.. mallet

    Don't worry Dino,

    If I had entered this thread 5 years ago (young and dumb), my list would have put yours to shame.

    But atleast I can atleast put things into perspective now.

    My biggest fault now is probably driving a bit to defensively / courteously (on the road anyway).

    I have given up on having fun whilst driving on the road. It's not worth it (I need my licence and the money).

    I always leave for work (or wherever) atleast half an hour before I know I need to.
    I cruise to work at the speed limit or maybe 5 kph under (to allow for speed creep).
    I always leave atleast the 2 seconds gap between me and the bloke infront.
    I dont stress when someone squeezes into that gap, I just back of a little more to re-establish the gap.
    I let people merge in (even when they push up the "50m long" inside lane).
    I stop for Amber lights when i safetly can (much to the disgust of drivers behind me).
    I don't stress when I am doing the speed limit and someone is trying to push me faster so they can get infront of the truck that's in the middle lane (the closer they get [ie if I can read the part number from their head light in the mirror] the slower I go).
    By not worrying about looking out for speed cameras or planning you're next overtaking manoevure, you can pay more attention to what's happening infront of you.
    I don't stress when someone does something uncourteous or stupid infront of me (life goes on).
    I couldn't care less if I am stuck behind a semi-trailer at the lights (I've got plenty of time up my sleeve)
    I dont stress about how long the light sequence has taken or that it only let 2 cars through at a time.
    I don't worry about how our peak hour traffic sucks (because I left early, I dont have one eye glued to the clock)

    Basically, when I drive I am happy and relaxed in my little mobile U2 soundstage.

    I usually get to work atleast half an hour early, totally relaxed, I have a coffee, read the paper and get ready for a day on the road. And I would probably get there a whole 2 minutes after you

    And if for some reason I am late, so be it. Most meetings aren't that urgent. Take a chill pill, put on your favorite tunes a cruise. dance dance dance

    P.S: My driving used to be so "infamous" that I would meet a friend of a friend and they would ask if I was "THE RICHARD!?!".
    Goes to show, If I can change, anyone (well maybe not you dino ) can change.

    Now, the main thing I do wrong is to wave at people as they are fowl mouthing me for daring to do 79 kph in an 80 zone...he he he

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    Sounds like a good recipe for a long life, mistareno, free from "accidents" and heart attacks or strokes too!

    I wouldn't be apologetic about the defensive driving matter either.

    Mind you, I'm not sure about the impact of all that U2! Hope you aren't playing with the volume control!

    Yes, most of the time I guess I drive much the same as you (but maybe that 5 kph faster so I'm sitting on the limit) . But every now and then ...... Sure it never happens to you?

    And have you checked your tyre pressure this week? ;-)

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    Re volume control: I have a remote mounted to the steering wheel (best thing I have ever done)

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    Rod Hagen:
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    5. Guilty of road rage because of above
    What, if anything, do you actually do when you get "road rage", renaulturbo, and what do you think you can do to stop doing so?

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    I get irritated. I cant handle driving in peak hour. Thats why ive always caught the train to uni and laugh at the poor bastards on the road

    When i have had to drive to uni, i not only drive there half an hour earlier but try 2 hours earlier so i can actually move forward on green lights

    I'm a bloody courteous driver and dont have a speeding fine or accident to my name (touch wood) with 2 parking fines as my only offences (pretty good considering i drive on Victorian roads ). When fellow road users arent courteuos in return (cut you off, dont give way, try to nick your car park, asians etc)thats when Mr Hyde (or is it Dr. Jekyll?)comes out.

    I cant do anything to stop doing so. When people learn how to drive, ill calm down. What do you think of this story:

    2 mates died when stopped at a red light, got slammed from behind by a lady high as a kite. Lady went to court for manslaughter. Received 4 years in prison for 'killing' 2 people.

    That's what's going on out there. People are getting killed by 'fellow road users'.

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    When fellow road users arent courteuos in return (cut you off, dont give way, try to nick your car park, asians etc) thats when Mr Hyde (or is it Dr. Jekyll?)comes out.

    I cant do anything to stop doing so. When people learn how to drive, ill calm down. What do you think of this story:

    2 mates died when stopped at a red light, got slammed from behind by a lady high as a kite. Lady went to court for manslaughter. Received 4 years in prison for 'killing' 2 people.

    That's what's going on out there. People are getting killed by 'fellow road users'.
    Unfortunately that (your story) is not a one off renaulturbo. Considering people are driving 1500 kgs of moving projectile, I often wonder how many people would die on our roads if we had the current number of cars but with 1960's crash technology.

    It is pretty frustrating for cops aswell when people like that get a comparative slap on the wrist....
    But the Magistates know best.........excuse me while I vomit.

    Atleast police now have the power to demand a blood test from a driver they reasonably believe to be under the influence of a drug of dependence. Mind you we have to see, and intercept them before they kill themselves (or someone else).

    In regards to your road rage. Just let it slide. If you try and retaliate, it makes you just as bad as them. Chances are YOU will be the one caught by the cops (or involved in an accident) for doing somethinhg stupid in retaliation. Then your blood will really boil.....

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    renaulturbo:
    )...thats when Mr Hyde (or is it Dr. Jekyll?)comes out.
    It's Hyde, rt. Jekyl was the good guy.!

    )I cant do anything to stop doing so. When people learn how to drive, ill calm down.
    Mmm, I wonder. The only real answer that works to this sort of stuff is mistareno's.

    What do you think of this story:

    2 mates died when stopped at a red light, got slammed from behind by a lady high as a kite. Lady went to court for manslaughter. Received 4 years in prison for 'killing' 2 people.
    Yes.I've been pretty close to this myself, rt., as some people here are probably tired of hearing. My late father's second wife was killed sitting in a traffic jam on a major Sydney road, by three young guys in a Lambourghini at 8.00AM in the morning, doing 100mph in the opposite direction when they hit the median strip and landed on top of her.

    They got death (the ultimate "on the spot" penalty?) and the opening shots on Channel 9 news, rather than 4 years, and effectively destroyed the remaining twenty years of my dad's life into the bargain. I've just been writing the text for his own memorial plaque to set next to hers, and its hard to stop thinking about its impact on his life.

    Road rage, unless you can deal with it, can be just as disasterous though.

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    I sometimes 'enforce" my right to turn right into the righthand lane of a multi-lane road, when a car is turning left into the same street but takes the corner so wide that it ends up in the right hand lane itself. (most people aren't aware that they are actually breaking the law when they do this ).
    I don't know about Vic, but in NSW the law was changed for 'standardisation' a couple of years ago.

    It is now longer illegal to turn into the closest lane as you describe. (I think it was a stupid change as traffic could flow alot better if people had obeyed that rule) frown
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    Top gear wheelspin in the 504GL auto!

    Booted it comming out of a "T" junction on wet hotmix today. She kicked back to first, the inside rear lit up, engine redlined, dropped into second, inside rear still spinning, foot still flat, redlined in second, then she dropped into top and the inside rear kept spinning! Talk about fun! I kid you not, this is a true story (with the help of some cheap, hard compound, Chinese rear tires). Shudder to think what diff thought of it though.

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    Top gear wheelspin in the 504GL auto!

    Booted it comming out of a "T" junction on wet hotmix today. She kicked back to first, the inside rear lit up, engine redlined, dropped into second, inside rear still spinning, foot still flat, redlined in second, then she dropped into top and the inside rear kept spinning! Talk about fun! I kid you not, this is a true story (with the help of some cheap, hard compound, Chinese rear tires). Shudder to think what diff thought of it though.

    evil

    Apart from that, I've behaved myself on the road today.
    Then the rear tyres finally got traction and it stalled......

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    Interesting stuff! I honestly don't think I do too much wrongly any more, but one thing I do a lot is, if someone has been tailgating for ages in the suburbs, when I come to turn right and they're going straight on, I'll make the car as wide as possible and take the corner s-l-o-w-l-y, or even stop, to make them as mad as possible. I'm gonna get slapped one day...

    Like your style Mistareno - I must admit, my whole philosophy changed when I had kids. I'm not far off you now for 'relaxedness'.

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    Then the rear tyres finally got traction and it stalled...... D [/QB]
    Actually when the inside rear tyre finally got traction it kicked back to first again because the car was only moving at about 30 km/h, but by then the beast was in a straight line so she kept traction apart from a quick blip as it dropped up into second with the foot still flat.
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    [quote]frogs4ever:
    Actually when the inside rear tyre finally got traction it kicked back to first again because the car was only moving at about 30 km/h, but by then the beast was in a straight line so she kept traction apart from a quick blip as it dropped up into second with the foot still flat.
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    I'm having trouble with the word "beast" being used to describe a 504 auto.

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    I'm having trouble with the word "beast" being used to describe a 504 auto.
    Here's a picture of some BEASTS fighting:

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    It probably handles better this way up....

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    frogs4ever:
    [QBHere's a picture of some BEASTS fighting[/QB]
    Notice how those fighting beasts don't have as much body roll as normal 504s do. I think they might have 504 rallye spec suspension or maybe even stiffer. Atleast one of them seems lowered by atleast 2 inches aswell.

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    davemcbean:
    Notice how those fighting beasts don't have as much body roll as normal 504s do. I think they might have 504 rallye spec suspension or maybe even stiffer.
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    ... I dunno about that, check this out:

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    I don't think that's the same as the one in the lead in the first pic. From the pics posted in the humour section, it seems that there were quite a number of different 504s used in that chase scene, because you can see a few differences (sump guards, suspension heights, roll stiffness, etc). Some seem stock while others seem modified (as is usual for stunts).

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    hmmm...

    mistereno...the idea was that you tell as about the various driving offences you COMMIT...not what you TRY and DO...REREAD the first post again....hehehhe

    i was really looking forward to you telling us about some WRONG things you do...instead TOTAL disapointment...everything you do is perfect(almost).....please TELL me that this is the honest truth....IF so YOU r one COOL copper....(remeber we ll be keeping an eye on you during the cruise... )
    I m just so surprised that you have changed so much in the last five years...and since YOUR list
    would have PUT mine to shame....Do you still feel some pride about the stupidity of your youth....?
    its nothing to brag about....my post was honest for a reason and that being the advertising of REAL world behaviour so we can all measure the basic attitude of the members (as drivers) attending the forum....PLEASE fORGIVE my disbelief at your OVERALL COOLNESS and if things are trully how you say they are I congratulate and respect your driving attitude....

    cheers

    dino

    PS...wishing i could be more COOL and relaxed as a driver....

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    No, I didn't mention it out of pride, more to show if you really want, anyone can change.

    My biggest fault now, would be driving to long between stops on long trips (I dont get tired that much when I drive)

    Obviously my reformed driving habits often have to be broken in the job, which is probably a bit of a legal release that others dont have.

    Yes, the cruise will be ummmm, interesting.

    And yes I really do drive like that all the time now.

    <small>[ 11 February 2003, 12:39 AM: Message edited by: mistareno ]</small>

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