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    NZ -v- Aus market differences

    I have just had a peek at the NZ offerings for Renault, Peugeot, and Citroen.....and I can't for the life of me work out why they get offered more cars than we do.

    I went over to New Zealand in '98 for a couple of weeks, and spotting a french car is pretty damn rare! The place is a sea of cheap Japanese imports, huge amounts of Legacy GT wagons etc etc.

    So......why do they get offered more cars in a market that would seem to be a bit of a challenge?

    For instance;

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    Renault: They have had Clio's for ages. They get the Megane sedan and hatch. They get a 2.0 Cabrio.

    Citroen: They have the 1.6 C3 already. They have Diesel Xsara's. They have the Picasso!

    Peugeot: They have both the 206 and 307 SW (!) They have the 2.2 406. They have a premium version of the 307 HDi.

    Why is it so?

    Message to Peugeot specifically: You have one of the most vibrant ranges of any manufacturer today. You can see this in your sales success. Please introduce the best bits of your lineup as soon as possible. See how succesful the Berlingo and Combo have been? Bring out the Partner. See how succesful small MPV's have been? Bring out the SW variants! Forget things like the 607 and 406 Coupe. Great cars, but they don't contribute to sales volume much at all. Bring out a hot diesel hatch! I'd reckon you would sell a stack more than the overpriced 607!

    That is all - thank you

    <small>[ 06 February 2003, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: macquered ]</small>

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    ECHO that!, except don't take away the 406 coupe....please.
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    re: japanese imports and the rest of the market....
    i was under the impression that the COMPLIANCING rules were different in NZ....hence so many imports (jap)...funny how the nz market thinks that IF ITS GOOD enough for the japanese its good enough for us (re: compliancing and safety standards)...not the case in AU...and only getting harder to comply (especially turbo diesel 4x4)...i think the government is aware that these imports would affect new car sales so they did the sensible thing (not) and try to curb it into NON existance....

    Ive heard that NZ is probably the CHEAPEST place to buy IMPORTS...the crazy thing is (i think) that once the cAr comes over from NZ it then DOES NOT NEED TO BE COMPLIENCED...i might be TOTALLLY WRRONNG here so dont take my word for it...

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    From what I understand, it has more to do with the fact that New Zealand has no local car industry, and therfore needs to import all of it's cars, so tariffs are non-existent. In australia, whether we like it or not, we have a local car industry to support, and the government here trys to make imprting cars as difficult as possible through things like tariffs and ADR's.

    Would certainly love to see more Peugeot models out her though
    But i still believe that we should try and support the local car industry.

    EDIT: Spelt "peugeot" wrong mallet

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    Although NZ is a much smaller market, the costs of bringing in a variety of models are far lower than Australia. BTW, the SW variants are on their way to AU.

    NZ cars do not need to meet any local equivalent of ADRs; if they are fit for sale in the UK, they can be sold in NZ, that is why most of the cars there are similar to UK specs. They are generally also more expensive than those in Australia.

    In spite of this - there isn't much of a new car industry there IMHO. If you see a new car there, it's probably a rental car

    The Japanese really dump all their old cars there - you see so many varieties of models I've never even heard of, and they're so cheap too - buying a new car doesn't make much relative economic sense. Of course, most of these imports from Japan are Japanese cars.

    A ricer's paradise you could say

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    The prices are remarkably constant

    Australia 307 XSi $34,490 AU

    NZ 307 XSi $38,490 NZ

    $1 NZ = .93c AU

    So the New Zealand price , despite the smaller market, is only about $1200 more than in Australia. Still I guess wages are lower there too.

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    We've just had abig shake up here in NZ about car safety. Your no longer allowed to bring in a car which is older than 1995. Due to safety measures which are standard on cars after that age. Which is bollx because I reckon these safety measures (side impact beams, airbags etc) were standard on european cars before that. There is one saving grace, that cars older than 20 years are allowed in, so it dosent kill off the good restoration industy we got over here.

    I dunno why we have soo many frogs on offer over here and you aussies dont. I'd guess it'd be partly due to low tarrifs so it doesnt cost so much to offer more?

    I just have one wish, that we got all our 2nd hand cars from europe and not japan.

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    Hey guys,

    It's not just 'ricers' that are brought in from Japan, BMW's volvo's etc pretty much anything european is available for the around the same sort of money.

    We do get what we call here 'NZ new' cars- just none are assembled here anymore. Jap imports put paid to our (small) car assembly industry several years ago..... disappro

    The change that Izza was referring to regards safety stds was touted to increase the price of Jap imports but this hasn't seemed to affect the prices much at all.

    Another point, over here older pugs like 205gti's and the like are really only worth $6-7000NZ in top condition (and with all extras), (most closer to the $2.5-3000 mark) the numbers that are still being paid for them in oz seem ludicrous (to us) by comparison- it's just that our market is flooded with similar(but jap) cars over here- i.e integra type R, nissan 200sx etc etc

    And before you leap down my throat about them being worth that much in oz, I realise it is simply supply and demand issues...

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    When I was in NZ 18 months ago, I gave up counting Cits on the second day. Pugs were pretty popular too it seemed - even the ugly 3 series thing (304??) Looked like one of those ugly boxy V---- things.

    Yes I was disappointed that they get the diesel and V6 C5 wagon and the Xsara Picasso (again in diesel and petrol). They also had more variation on the Xm etc and got the VTS before us (woo hoo what a hoot to drive).

    Why we can't have these cars here beats the bollocks off me. I wish I had the money at pres to buy a C5 Wagon. I would go in and demand a diesel engine one just to be painful.

    I have heard of people who demanded Pug 406 V6 manuals and got them after a few weeks wait - even though you were not able to get them so the brochures said. Funny how money talks.
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    Craig,
    We would have looked seriously at a C5 wagon if it had been available in diesel, we were told as the wagons are only fitted with the 2.2 diesel they wil not been seen in Aus as our fuel is not of sufficiant quality for this engine. Same obviously applies to the sedan/hatch, unless there are modifications we will only see the 2.0 HDi.

    I've read a few road tests and it would seem this is not necessarily a bad thing.......

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    There's no doubt that the latest 2.2-litre HDi particulate-filter common rail turbo diesel from PSA is some engine, but I'm coming round to thinking that the shorter-stroke two-litre still has a lot going for it. It's less expensive, it's more economical, and it's actually a lot better (in fact, the cleanest of all the C5 engine options) when it comes to CO2 emissions. And if the two-litre is slightly down on off-the-line and top-end performance, that formidable mid-range torque all but makes up for it.
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    Maybe the extra weight of the wagon precludes it from the 2.0 ltr engine??

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    in NZ $13,000 for a 97 106 Gti, sooo tempting!!!!....ughhhhh
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    But then why would they only supply the wagon in Aus with a 2l petrol auto? Makes no sense. If you are going to be lugging a potentially larger load in the wagon, a diesel would be first choice if you had to be lumped with an auto box.

    Perhaps we will see some change soon.

    I don't think NZ gets the high grade diesel, so they would not get the 2.2.
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    UFO:
    But then why would they only supply the wagon in Aus with a 2l petrol auto? Makes no sense. If you are going to be lugging a potentially larger load in the wagon, a diesel would be first choice if you had to be lumped with an auto box.

    Perhaps we will see some change soon.

    I don't think NZ gets the high grade diesel, so they would not get the 2.2.
    We do get the 2.0ltr petrol wagon in manual also.

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