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    Bad news for older car owners.

    Here's a copy of a message that I forwarded on from the Australian Citroen Bulletin board.

    "Just got this message & a couple of others possibly will get it also. It's in reference to tyres for GSs and it's not good news. It tells the reason for the unavailability and possibly explains why we've been hitting brick walls.
    Thanks to Jim, we now know the reason behind it all and can fight fire with fire if necessary.
    I wonder how the Minister for the Environment would compare the emmission problems quoted in this e-mail with a recent US Government budget decision on tax benefits for heavy SUVs? If we don't get the right answers, I'll be asking him!

    " am in WA and have today rejoined after a long absence, to post a
    very important message that I came across over the last couple of days
    I can see no reference on the bulletin board when I visited as a
    guest yesterday about tyre discussions and availability other than
    some early talk about 165x400. I had read the rumour in the Tassie
    magazine a few months ago about GS tyres no longer being made
    (145XZXSR15) and decided to call Michelin to check it out monday.
    They inform me that they no longer comply to Australian Design Rules,
    due to non compliance with the standards agreed in the Kyoto
    agreement.
    This is no early april fool, apparantly the rolling resistance of the
    tyre is too high and increases the emmissions of the car.
    Bottom line is Michelin can no longer import them into Aus/NZ and we
    will have to find a friendly overseas franchise thatis prepared to
    ship them to private buyers.
    This definitely affects GS and 2CV owners, perhaps we could all
    arrange a bulk buying from overseas before Winter gets here and we
    all find its impossible to buy new Tyres. I didn't ask the direct
    question, but this will probably affect a lot of the older radial
    tyres for all early classic cars, the Michelin Info line Man on 1300
    727 878 whose name is Wayne confirmed all this to me yesterday.
    HOPE THIS IS JUST A BAD NIGHTMARE, IF ANYONE WOULD CARE TO WAKE ME
    UP AND TELL ME SO, I WOULD BE ONLY TOO HAPPY TO BE PROVEN WRONG

    Regards, sorry about the bad news!!"

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    Don't be fooled into believing this is only going to affect Citroen owners; they are no more vulnerable than any owner of any car not wearing the latest in tyres. It's obviously more pressure from car & maybe tyre manufacturers to rid the roads of older cars - or to put it more honestly, to forcr people into getting deeper into debt & buy new ones so as to keep the shareholders profits high.
    In modern terminology this is known as "Lobbying" which I have asked a few Politicians to define Lobbying as it compares to "Bribing" So far none have ever responded...I wonder why?? mallet mallet

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    And another commercial side to this story...

    As the tyres change from being 'current production' to 'special production for classic cars' they experience a huge price hike.

    Tyremakers might just be in on it too...

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    Yes, I remember when looking for tyres for my 505, Michelin told me the MXTE was now in their 'classic' range, and I would have to wait a few months AND pay ~ $150 per tyre for 185/80. In the end I just bought Michelin Certis 185/75 as they were only $100 each. Classic my arse
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    Do you know if this applies to my R8/4CV Renaults with 135-15 tyres. That's the 2CV size is it not, so I presume it does...

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    JohnW:
    Do you know if this applies to my R8/4CV Renaults with 135-15 tyres. That's the 2CV size is it not, so I presume it does...

    JohnW
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    "Bottom line is Michelin can no longer import them into Aus/NZ and we
    will have to find a friendly overseas franchise thatis prepared to
    ship them to private buyers.
    This definitely affects GS and 2CV owners, perhaps we could all
    arrange a bulk buying from overseas before Winter gets here and we
    all find its impossible to buy new Tyres. I didn't ask the direct
    question, but this will probably affect a lot of the older radial
    tyres for all early classic cars, ...."

    That abswers that I think.

    Alan S
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    Alas. Thanks!

    I'm not strong on conspiracy theories, but in this case.......

    I guess there'll be some bulk buying organised by someone with time before too long.

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    John,

    I've been involved in trying to get this organised for a couple of months now but keep running into brick walls.
    As soon as it is up & running, I'll post to that effect.
    With things like this, co -operation don't come easy mallet

    Alan S
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    Absolute crap, Michelin have just imported a very large batch of 165 by 15 XZXs! At a price of around $120.
    Incidentally, the Australian market for these makes up 2 thirds of world wide sales!

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    I don't know of course, but I'd doubt this rolling resistance thing too. Sounds like a scam.

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    They inform me that they no longer comply to Australian Design Rules, due to non compliance with the standards agreed in the Kyoto agreement.
    Alan S :p [/QB]
    Does this mean that SUV's and BA Falcons are going to be banned?

    My Renault 16TS on the suposedly greenhouse unfriendly Michelins gets 45 MGG cruising at 100 km/h. Should vehicles like this be targets of Koyoto?

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    Alan S:
    I had read the rumour in the Tassie
    magazine a few months ago about GS tyres no longer being made
    (145XZXSR15) and decided to call Michelin to check it out monday.
    They inform me that they no longer comply to Australian Design Rules,
    due to non compliance with the standards agreed in the Kyoto
    agreement.
    This is no early april fool, apparantly the rolling resistance of the
    tyre is too high and increases the emmissions of the car.
    Then why does almost every car that uses them get excellent fuel economy?

    Also, these tyres are rock hard compared to most modern tyres, so I can't see how they could possibly have higher rolling resistance than average.

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    Also, these tyres are rock hard compared to most modern tyres, so I can't see how they could possibly have higher rolling resistance than average.
    Dave[/QB]
    Yeah, that's what I meant. They must almost skate across the tarmac.


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    Thanks Alan,

    I'll need some 135-15 XZX for the 750 and whatever the 16TS takes too! I've never put tyres on the 16 - only used for fun - but will need to one day, if only because the sidewalls will die before the tread wears out.

    I look forward to the post.

    Just amazing. I get better economy around town in the 16TS than our Peugeot 306. Maybe the tyres are hard and old. Maybe we should import old Michelins (NOS), which would comply.......

    Thanks again.

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    What I was told in my search about three months ago was that the 145x15 XZX had gone OOP (by two retail sources independent but not associated with Michelin), but the 135x15 XZX was still in the "Classic" Michelin catalogue. Therefore the 135x15 (and 155x14 for the 16) MAY still be available.
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