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    Hey everyone,

    I'm thinking about buying a XA GT which is in good condition and reasonably cheap. Now I have read many reviews on them but am wondering if any of the Citroen enthusiasts on here know anything about them or have had any experiences with them. I myself don't know anything about Citroen but have always had a respect for their quirky style. But this quirky style is also a worry as I have no clue about how hard parts are to replace.

    One more question is are there any Citroen specialists in SA? Also what wreckers are good in both SA and Victoria?

    Any information anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you.

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    I had an AX in the UK. Great little car - lots of fun to drive. I understand they're very rare here so parts may be hard to find, but there are Aussie AX owners on the forum so I'm sure they'll let you know the score.
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    Great little car, until you hit something maybe....

    I've heard stories of them folding up like a sardine tin in accidents, so I'm not sure that I'd want to be driving one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandrake
    Great little car, until you hit something maybe....

    I've heard stories of them folding up like a sardine tin in accidents, so I'm not sure that I'd want to be driving one...

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    It's OK - most tow trucks in Australia have a stock of those little keys. You know the ones you use to open a can of sardines with.

    I would say the now 20 year old design of the AX would be no more or less safe (to any great degree) than any other similar car of the same era.
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    Yeah I would expect them to be no less safe than any other hatch of the same era, such as a Peugeot 205 GTi. When you had your car Rallye did you find any wierd annoyances or anything of that particular nature.
    I'm wondering whether to get one of these or a 205 GTi. Of course getting a 205 GTi in the same condition might prove hard to find for the right price which is the reason I am interested in an AX GT. It is true they're rare. If I had seen one on the street before this particular one for sale I would have no clue what it was. Which is another reason I am drawn to this one. But of course the draw back of that is parts may prove hard to find as has been pointed out.

    All in all though I want a unique car as my first and the difficulties of owning a rarer car I believe will be outweighed by the benefits of having one.

    Any other stories would still be appreciated.

    Thanks to those who have made a post.
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    I would say the now 20 year old design of the AX would be no more or less safe (to any great degree) than any other similar car of the same era.
    I love the little cars. French people are still driving them and they are still used in France as police cars.

    I would have 1 if parts were not impossible?

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    One more question I would like answered if anyone can. Is the 1.4L engine in the AX GT used in any other car. Like can certain things be interchangeable such as oil filters etc. Also if anyone would like to be a great help could you tell me what model and brand Oil filter, brake pads, fan belts etc you use. It's just in the books listing the models in the store they don't list a AX GT so it's hard to know what to use.

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    Just found out how high insurance is on one. Very high, but for the price on one it wouldn't really be worth getting comprehensive most likely.

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    Nice little car. Fairly noisy and prone to interior creaks and rattles. Brakes are dire due to RHD conversion. A/C is marginal and really aftermarket - might be hard to get fixed (if that matters). Tyres are unique - you will likely have to put alternative ones on. Wheels have three studs so aftermarket wheels are less of an option.

    Basically a reliable and great fun little sporty hatch - excellent handling and great seats. I can envisage delays getting bits though - only a couple of dozen were ever imported.....
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    parts wouldn't be an issue, you can get bits from overseas through the internet quite quickly, though large or heavy bits can be a problem.

    I'm sure the engine is shared is with a peugeot, try going to supercheap or kmart and check out their filter book to see if they have a listing. When you buy a filter the purflux ones are better than local filters and should be available at french car specialists.

    There is a citroen wrecker in SA, Martin Bray, tho has has gone outn of the older cars. Roger Parker at Oleopneumatics might be useful too

    In Melbourne, European Auto Parts are very good for bits.

    You should be able to get the serviced at any garage not scared of french cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchPeugeot
    When you had your car Rallye did you find any wierd annoyances or anything of that particular nature.
    Well nothing I couldn't live with ...
    - As Trixie said the brakes were prone to a bit of fade if you drove hard, esp. downhill. For genaral driving they were fine.
    - I'm quite tall and the single wiper arrangement left some uncleared areas that could be a pain as you were trying to look through them.
    - Seats were comfy enough in practice but didn't seem too promising at first.

    I had a 205 afterwards (here in Oz) and the 205 is a better car like-for-like, certainly better for long distances. I did long-ish trips in the AX but was just a bit small for them. But then a 205 is more expensive and they tend to have been ragged.

    Really comes down to whether you fancy it. AXs are fine,fun cars but with anything that age it's more about whether it is a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchPeugeot
    One more question I would like answered if anyone can. Is the 1.4L engine in the AX GT used in any other car. Like can certain things be interchangeable such as oil filters etc. Also if anyone would like to be a great help could you tell me what model and brand Oil filter, brake pads, fan belts etc you use. It's just in the books listing the models in the store they don't list a AX GT so it's hard to know what to use.
    I've kept quiet upto now. I've had 4 AX's, 2 of them GT's.
    The 1.4 TU engine is shared with 106, 205, 206, 306, saxo, c2, c3, ZX and BX.
    They ALL use the same oil filter, even the larger XU and diesel engine cars.
    Parts are not a problem, as the ax was still in production in 1996. As has been said elsewhere on this thread, even if parts aren't in australia, they are easy to get from europe.
    I never had too much of a problem with the brakes, but if you like driving VERY hard they will suffer from fade.
    They handle surprisingly well. I never found them to be creakey inside, and thought they were put together quite well.
    They can be a bit noisey on long journeys, but in the town, they are the most fun you can have with your clothes still on
    Out of town, they can even be fun with your clothes off
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    Thanks mate best forum ever is Aussiefrogs. I searched everywhere on the net and couldnt even find that answer. You have made my decision for me. I think this could be the go. Only thing that worried me was that serviceable parts maybe hard to find but if the 1.4L engine shares many components with other cars than there should be no worries. Thank you very much for your help.
    As for brakes I think if I really didn't like them I would spend big on having a 4 stud conversion professionally done once I had enough money but maybe it's just about getting used to it. Thank you all once again.

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    Couple of things I thought of last night were just covered in Smiffy's post. If you want to know parts codes try UK websites as there were 10,000s of AXs over there. It's only here in Oz that they're unusual, sold in huge numbers in Europe, so don't think that they didn't sell because they had a problem.

    Some links to get your enthusiasm up ...
    http://koti.mbnet.fi/css/ax.html
    http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jml.citroen/index+1.htm
    http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk

    Bugger - all this has got me wanting one now!
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    funky little car, a bit boxy and unusual but that's the general description of a citroen. They were used in group N rally, and other forms of motorsport as well, so I couldn't imagine they'd handle to badly (even if i've never driven one) Plenty of upgrade options to, and if you get really bored you could even source a saxo vts, or 106 GTi engine for it from europe i'd imagine that would be a bit of kick in the pants in an AX

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    Well I have bought the car. I am really pleased with it. It feels as though it will be fun to drive even though I am only just learning manual now. Anyway thanks for all the advice and information every one has given me.
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    i have a an AXGT love it, and it has been in two accidents so far, if only minor ones, and it hasn't folded up like a sardine can yet, it even stood up against a 4WD.
    They are hard to find parts for but there is some suppliers i recently just sourced most parts from my car from a wreakers in south australia, but most of my parts that i can't find here i source from the citroen dealers in the uk as they send the parts faster than citroen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchPeugeot
    Just found out how high insurance is on one. Very high, but for the price on one it wouldn't really be worth getting comprehensive most likely.
    My dad currently drives an AX GT - he's insured with shannons who, on finding that there are only something like 7 of these cars left in Oz, gave him a fantastic premium with an agreed value of something like 10k!

    and he's paying a quarter of what i pay for my mi16

    he had a slight accident with it about a year ago, nothing major, and managed to source all the parts he needed through this forum (headlights, drivers side guard, carbon canister).

    great little car - the only things i find funny with it are very heavy steering, and the brakes don't have the best feel (you also need small shoes). Once you get used to this it's an absolute hoot to drive. so lightweight that the little 1.4 never seems to struggle too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibendum
    Well I have bought the car. I am really pleased with it. It feels as though it will be fun to drive even though I am only just learning manual now. Anyway thanks for all the advice and information every one has given me.
    Lets have some pics please - though it may just make me jealous!!
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    Pictures will be coming soon, just want to give the car a polish beforehand. eds3028 could you please tell me where abouts in SA did you get parts from? just in case I don't know them yet. As for only 7 left in Australia what happened to the rest in what i want to know. 10K agreed value is awesome as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibendum
    Pictures will be coming soon, just want to give the car a polish beforehand. eds3028 could you please tell me where abouts in SA did you get parts from? just in case I don't know them yet. As for only 7 left in Australia what happened to the rest in what i want to know. 10K agreed value is awesome as well.
    I saw a lovely little red example in a car park in Lobethal when I was "in the area" in September last year. It was a little faded, but otherwise in very sound-looking condition.

    I wonder if it is the same one?
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    Would imagine the SA parts supplier was Martin Bray - he had wrecked at least one.
    Used to own a 91 3 door - a number of parts like some of the brake bits were shared with 205's.
    Is the motor in the Berlingo the same one?
    When they were newish, many traditional Cit owners commented about abysmal brakes as they were a shock to the system if you were used to a hydraulic Cit (as all others on the local market at the time were) - all that pedal travel created white knuckles to say the least for people used to just a little push on the brake pedal.

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    A lot of AX's came into New Zealand. Could be a cheaper source of parts than the UK.

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    There is a stacked *and written off* AX GT sitting in the back of French Car Care in Hobart. Plenty of good bits to be had off that car....


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    Thanks I may look into them. I have heard the Berlingo shares the same engine but I am not sure. Whats the business name of the SA parts supplier, it's just I'm a new guy and don't really know anyone's names yet.
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