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    Default No rust!!!!!!!?????

    OK, just this week, a guy in Melbourne advertised a ute for $5000 and as some of you saw in the for sales, I actually thought about selling my old trusty girl in favour of this supposedly very original and rust free ute. Well I got the pics today that he's been promising and what a shock! I'm so glad I didn't fly up to look at it. You could see the rust from the pics and it was worse than mine! There were 3 huge glaring spots under the windscreen and both front guards and the doors had been bogged over as well as the tray. Not to mention the interior being very average. "Tell him he's dream'n!" Oh well, I'll stick to mine and fix her up like new, I just hope she didn't catch wind of the whole affair, she might not start monday morning.

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    What I want to know is how many of you have had this kind of thing happen. Has anyone ever completely misreprested a car that you were buying? Tell me your stories!
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    In August last year I bought a one way flight to Sydney to buy an XM. I had seen the photos and spoken to the owner several times on the phone and it seemed like a good one. When I got there it just didn't seem to be as it had been described. I knew of another XM that had been advertised for sale on the other side of the city but had not done anything about it because I had been focused on the one I had just decided not to buy. So I called the owner of the other one, caught a taxi over there and a couple of hours later was driving it home.

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    I'm afraid it's not always a case of misunderstanding as much as it is two peoples ideas of what constitutes "important information" when the description is written.
    I usually have to buy a car from afar due to my geographical location, so it has at times cost us anything up to a further $1000 to get to inspect, decide, pay and drive two days to get home, so I possibly have had as much experience as anyone with buying and selling from a distance so I can talk from both sides.
    As I expected them to be; a CX from Blue Mountains, a CX from a Porn producer at the Cross. (Straight as a gun barrel to deal with.)
    Better than expected; a Xantia.
    Not as expected: A BX that was photographed not showing a large dent in the rear guard that also had a slow leak in a tyre (that he admitted to later) and we left at 10.30pm to drive almost 4 hours and by the time we got home, it had clsoe to about 10psi in the tyre after being driven at a fairly high speed most of the way. Dangerous & dumb; could have got someone killed for $15 repair.
    A CX in Sydney that was supposedly fully restored. Paint was crazed and oxidised, hole in seat carefully missed in photos, radio immediately turned up to go for test drive. It seems the pics he sent were a few years old.
    A BX with the flap left down over the radio area when photographed only to discover no radio when purchased. As it was never mentioned either in the advert or in discussions, I took it as a Caveat emptor situation. Car was cheap so what the hell.
    A BX that the owners husband declared was so well looked after that I'd never find a stone chip on it. When inspected found several; all touched in another colour. Radio was stuffed and not a dodgy speaker as he had diagnosed, air/con was U/S but as it was bought in winter was not properly detected and guaranteed it worked. Just had a NSW RTA inspection for re-registration but had 2 bald tyres not mentioned as well as ABS fault also not mentioned. Promised service records but never sent them regardless of phone calls and letters. Expensive car in its day that has taken a lot of sorting due to lack of service records to use as guide to some problems.

    From the other side of the fence; I sold a car a few years back and was contacted via the internet by an interstate buyer who admitted to being nervous buying sight unseen. I agreed with him as I'd done it so often, so I sent him a full detail of the car starting at the rear bumper and going forward panel by panel. (ie) Small dent in bootlid, paint stuffed on rear end of car, oil leak from camseal, All-Rounder tyres, possible small spot of rust under trim inside door on aperture but not removed for checking etc....it was that detailed. Things such as split CV boots were mentioined as was the leaky heater matrix and in cases where the parts had been purchased to rectify them, they went as part of the deal.
    He arranged to fly partway up and I agreed to deliver the car down to meet him. He walsk out of the terminal and as he approaches the car he queries the small dent in the boot, the worn paint on the rear end and the brand of tyres. I lift the bonnet and he "notices" the leaky camseal and then asks about the RWC that he was told first up was never going to be part of the deal.
    I leave the plates on so he can drive home and get him to sign a declaration that he took possession at a certain time and that the plates are there to just drive the car back home when they must be either returned to me or surrendered to the RTA. I tell him about the quirks with the car including the dip switch, a new one which was sitting in with all the other parts and he takes off.
    I hear nothing for about a month and then he does this bloody great posting basically blaming me for conning him into buying a car with all these faults and he lists them; all the ones that I had told him about prior to him buying the car plus tells of the tale of woe about the drive home and the problems with the dip switch and so it went on.
    To this day he hasn't returned the plates and as I was being threatened with prosecution for not handing them in, I had no option but to advise the Qld Transport Dept as to their whereabouts, so whilst it's possible to be caught when buying, it's just as likely when you sell.
    This guy was playing so ignorant at the known faults in the car, at one stage I wondered if he was the guy I had been talking to or if he was some kind of imposter.


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    After buying my Pug diesel sight unseen (which was pretty much as described apart from the paint looking a lot better in the digitals than it turned out to be in the flesh) and then turning it over to a seemingly really nice guy in Adelaide (I think a lot of you know who I mean) to have the gearbox replaced, I vowed I'd never do this again. But I did. I just bought another Golf diesel sight unseen. The digitals looked fantastic and the seller insisted on sending me even more to show the blemishes, however it's all a case of the frog in boiling water.....Time goes by and people don't notice gradual change. Now I've got the car it looks brilliant from a distance but when you get close up it disappoints. Interestingly, it has a current NSW roadworthy but among the other things that have or am currently repairing is one of the suspension struts. I noticed a loud "clunk" on reversing and taking up drive only to find that the bolts holding the right front suspension strut to the tower were finger tight. Inspector???? Also (nightmare of nightmares) the oil pressure light wasn't working when I collected the car from the ferry. Had the previous owner disconnected it or had not noticed it was not working? As it turned out it was a faulty switch and I replaced it. Looks OK now,
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    not a french car, but when i bought my old 4x4 datto i was told the motor was in tip top condition...........this was correct until a week later it ran out of oil because it was burning it by the litre..........silly me, i had no idea about cars and in particular diesels so on the test drive a little bit of white smoke ment nothing to me, i thought it was normal.........never the less i drove the car, religously buying a bottle of oil every saturday.

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    First car I bought had a whole rear quarter, boot floor (and half the beaver panel) butt-welded on, bashed hollow and filled smooth. Brand F Futura, naturally (and yes Alan, I DID put the XY brakes on it ) but a sobering lesson in deceptive appearances.

    It gets better. I bought it through a "friend" who drove a similar car. He went to great lengths to warn me that the seller was highly irascible; better to let a cool-headed person with experience negotiate the sale. This champion loaded the price by $1600 - nice work if you can get it. Took me 18 months to find out, when the seller 'fessed up.

    An ex bought a hail-damaged Camry from the North Shore (private sale, "They were such nice people" she said). Never had the heart to tell her they were lying mongrels.

    Ah well, better than buying a timber house full of white ants!

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    Default Oldsmobile 442 Convertible...

    Back in the old US of A, I once called a guy in South Carolina (the southern part) from MN (the northern part) about a 442 convertible. I wasn't concerned about the interior or motor or anything other than the body. Being from MN, the salt capital of the world, if it was rust free, it was for me. He assured me thre wasn't a spot of rust anywhere on the car. I prodded him for 20 minutes trying to be sure. As this was the days before digital, he even sent me some photos, and it looked good. I rented a car one way and started driving. About 18 hours later, I pulled in and got out to look at the car. I literally dropped to my knees when I saw holes of rust you could actually put your fist through!!!
    I almost punched this guy out as he said, "well there might be a little rust."

    I paid the rental company a few extra bucks and turned around and drove home. A very good lesson learned, never trust someone with a southern drawl!
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    Only dude there who's shorted me lives in San Jose. $900 poorer for the experience. East Coast never a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downunderyank
    OK, just this week, a guy in Melbourne advertised a ute for $5000 and as some of you saw in the for sales, I actually thought about selling my old trusty girl in favour of this supposedly very original and rust free ute. Well I got the pics today that he's been promising and what a shock! I'm so glad I didn't fly up to look at it. You could see the rust from the pics and it was worse than mine! There were 3 huge glaring spots under the windscreen and both front guards and the doors had been bogged over as well as the tray. Not to mention the interior being very average. "Tell him he's dream'n!" Oh well, I'll stick to mine and fix her up like new, I just hope she didn't catch wind of the whole affair, she might not start monday morning.

    What I want to know is how many of you have had this kind of thing happen. Has anyone ever completely misreprested a car that you were buying? Tell me your stories!
    I bought a 403 recently.
    The guy told me there was slight amount of rust on the drivers floor, other wise it was perfect.
    Believe me I know rust in cars, was his statement.
    Well, on pulling up the passengers floor mat the floor was virtually non existant.
    In the five years he had had it he had never even pulled up the mats to have a look. I had another look today and found minor rust all over the place, the car is fixable but not the great car that was described.
    I have since been lucky enough to find a 203, also lots of rust but it IS a 203, a model in demand.
    Added to that the crankshaft was supposed to have been broken! Funny, the front pulley was rotating dead smooth and it ran OK considering it needed everything done to it tuning wise. Basically the timing was advanced to the limit to keep it running owing to the dire condition of the ancilleries, this of course accentuated the noise from worn bearings.
    The car will be pulled apart and the parts will go to a good home.
    Graham
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    HG wagon advertised as good body and interior and U/S motor.

    The body was indeed good but the interior had been got at by the hounds, (fortunately a spare interior was under the house).
    As for the motor, it was a non starter. A good look over the thing revealed that the only problem was that a screw from the contact plate had fallen into the "guts" of the Dizzzy and jammed it, causing the shear pin on the gear to the cam shaft to “shear”, (as they do). A spare from the boot and 3 min spanner work had it running beautifully, (one of the few 186 engines where you could balance a fifty cent piece on the rocker cover).

    It turned out his mechanic had quoted him a fortune to fix it and he figured it was better to wreck than fix. (planning on how to fund his next holiday no doubt).

    I gave the guy a generous bonus for the rego and drove away a dammed good car.
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