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    Hi Guys,

    I was talking to my brother inlaw (who loves old street rods and is currently building one) and apparantly they are bringing in street rod registration (ie: club rego). This will allow them to be used 90days a year, however you must fill in a logbook.

    Does anyone out there know if the totally useless garbage Club Rego scheme will be updated to this ??? If so I have a couple of old Citroens that will be going onto club rego in the near future

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    Welcome back Shane, hope you enjoyed the break with your family.

    Hope so, I'll have a few of my Renaults on clubreg too if thats the case!

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    hmmm if i drive non-stop over night for 23hrs is that one day?

    I'd be up for that... 90 days a year... almost twice a week...!

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    id do that too with the 205, it will only break down 90 times in a year that way

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    I believe that when this happens you will no longer be able to have a car on club rego that is modified in any way from original. A lot of cars currently on the club permit scheme will be forced on to the street rod rego which will no doubt cost more and may require engineering certificates. Good and bad depending on which way you look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarrods
    I believe that when this happens you will no longer be able to have a car on club rego that is modified in any way from original. A lot of cars currently on the club permit scheme will be forced on to the street rod rego which will no doubt cost more and may require engineering certificates. Good and bad depending on which way you look at it.

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    A similar system seems to work well in SA, 30 plus year old, 90 days free use with log book, with the added bonus that the car can retain its original rego plates instead of having to have CH or tacky "hysteric vehicle" plates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon
    A similar system seems to work well in SA, 30 plus year old, 90 days free use with log book, with the added bonus that the car can retain its original rego plates instead of having to have CH or tacky "hysteric vehicle" plates.
    In WA, if you can get through a poorly trained bureaucracy (!), the system allows concessional licencing. With that, you can register for about $30/year but are restricted to "testing" and "club event". Mostly it isn't abused (I hope) and it works quite well. There is a need to keep a log book and an annual inspection system.
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    I have mentioned this before, many many moons ago; In Sweden when a car gets to be thirty years old it is no longer subject to road tax. There is still a 35 crown fee, about 7 dollars though. Now if you have a car and want to drive it then it is up to you as long as there is at least third party property insurance on it. It is , however, possible and quite normal to get a cheap veteran car insurance on the car and use the car according to the restrictions this type of insurance has. Usually this means using the car on club runs, test driving and even using the car almost every day , but absolutely not for driving to work in. The car is usually covered for when it is in a garage and it say burns down or other mishaps. There is even a fairly cheap insurance for renovation objects that have not made it back onto the road.
    In Sweden, it is normal for vehicles to have an annual roadworthy carried out by the state run company for roadworthies, but if your car, or motorbike, is over the thirty year limit then it is only required every second year.
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    Some other countries also have a similar thing I believe, but I fear that the EU is going to start restricting these small pleasures.

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    (hej Phil!) In France, and I stand to be corrected on this, cars over 25 years old don't pay annual rego. However, for the last few years, they have had a fairly strict "controle technique" that really did weed out the unroadworthies, where lots of goodies such as 504 c/c came onto the market quite cheaply, as the owners didn't think the cars would pass.

    Speaking of plates, 20 years ago in Switzerland, I dunno if it is still the same, for a small extra fee, about 25% of the normal, you could transfer the plates from your road car to your show car, such as the 66 Mustang that a guy I knew outside Zurich had. I have no idea how they arranged the paperwork!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Hi Guys,

    I was talking to my brother inlaw (who loves old street rods and is currently building one) and apparantly they are bringing in street rod registration (ie: club rego). This will allow them to be used 90days a year, however you must fill in a logbook.

    Does anyone out there know if the totally useless garbage Club Rego scheme will be updated to this ??? If so I have a couple of old Citroens that will be going onto club rego in the near future

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    PS: Maybe I'll just 'lower' the old DS's and see if there then eligable for street rod rego

    Not useless at all if you participate in club events. But yes there will be a new scheme coming soon. There has always been street rod (SR) plates for highly modified cars, both SR and CH will be changed.
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    Hi Graham,

    we have had the debate about the Victorian club rego scheme before if you do a search of this forum. My views of it are "For me it's a useless unusable peice of Merde". For people that live in Melbourne that can easily get out of a weekend it's probalby quite good.

    It's bloody brilliant news if the scheme gets updated to a logbook

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    According to the frondrive magazine that arrived today. CLUB REGO IS IN !!!!! The Roads Minister has accepted the proposal and instructed VicRoads to proceed as quickly as possible with it. Possibly the end of Jan 2011

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    Talk about a long time coming!
    This is brilliant news many if I read into it right.
    Presumably the idea is (90 days being a 1/4) that in theory one could have 4 cars on club reg, and drive them alternately, as they are intended, not just club events? The distinction I guess whether it's a daily driver.

    I guess the price etc is yet to be worked out, if it's not dissimilar to the makeup of normal reg, 1/4 of a normal registration would be very cost effective.

    Is there any info online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid View Post
    Presumably the idea is (90 days being a 1/4) that in theory one could have 4 cars on club reg, and drive them alternately, as they are intended, not just club events?
    David.
    That is the type of thing that will close down the scheme completely. if it gets out of hand.
    You do have to own a car on normal reg to be part of the scheme, so hopefully this will reduce the rorting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    That is the type of thing that will close down the scheme completely. if it gets out of hand.
    You do have to own a car on normal reg to be part of the scheme, so hopefully this will reduce the rorting.
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    How is this rorting... Your using the scheme exactly as designed to run 4cars............................... I'm sure gonna do this if I can .... Just think I could have 4 tired old on club rego.... and actually get to drive them

    Your paying registration and insurance on all four cars, and filling in the log books correctly.... This is exactly what the scheme is designed for After all lets face it, your not going to be saving any money at all trying to press four 25+ year old cars into daily service :no:

    I can't wait to see how many @ssholes that think they should be policing this scheme dob me in constantly 'cos I have a plastic bumper CX on club rego...... And am actually driving the car

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    There may well be a 2 car limit, or having to own a car on full rego etc.

    Personally I don't see what the problem for unlimited cars, if;

    a) your a club member, and its a legitimate club registered car.
    b) you aren't using the car for more than 90 days of the year.
    c) the scheme is priced accordingly covers relevant insurance etc.

    Forgive me if I am being ignorant, I may have the idea completely wrong, as to what is proposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid View Post
    There may well be a 2 car limit, or having to own a car on full rego etc.

    Personally I don't see what the problem for unlimited cars, if;

    a) your a club member, and its a legitimate club registered car.
    b) you aren't using the car for more than 90 days of the year.
    c) the scheme is priced accordingly covers relevant insurance etc.

    Forgive me if I am being ignorant, I may have the idea completely wrong, as to what is proposed.

    David.
    The idea is not to drive the cars as daily transport but to take part in club activities, after all it is the motoring clubs that fought hard and long for this.
    The reason for the change is that people were getting booked for going to get petrol, driving to service centres etc.
    Probably an earlier cut off date would be a better idea but for some reason the 25 year age has stayed.
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    I agree in part with Graham's statements, but I refuse to adhere to the concept that a still surviving and cared for car of 25 years age is not a classic. Our CX is now 25 years old and is definitely classic - the same as late Toranas, Kingswoods and XD Falcons I now see on classic rego.

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    Just think... with regards to car club events... You have a car that you can actually drive .... You know the cars ok as you drive it all the time .... Maybe even a couple of times a week.

    Now who do you think is more likely to head to a car club event.... Someone who has there undrivable well polished never driven car sitting in the shed, that hasn't turned a wheel in 8months as there hasn't been a car club run within 200kms of your house................................. Or someone that's been driving there car and knows it's in good driving condition, and reliable........ It's really a no brainer. Gee's we wasted hundreds of dollars on that useless old scheme. Hey at least our cars have nice pretty numberplates as souvenirs of there lack of use

    I don't agree with "fixing" or pushing out the age cars are eligable for the scheme either. When was the last time you saw old Aussie cars on the road. These days you almost stop and look if you see a Torana being driven around.... Or a tidy VH (not very common) commonbore these days.

    I'm going to be most distressed if this new scheme .... get this ..... Allows people to actually drive there cars Imagine spotting an old car on the roads everytime you're out driving.... Will you be like me and admirei it.... Or start fuming ... "Someone is driving that car when it should be sitting in a shed/yard un-used.... Where's the phone, I'm reporting them"

    My sister isn't so keen. You see the street rodders butcher there cars. It highly unlikely a lot of there cars would pass a RoadWorthy. So even though they love the idea of this scheme. If it entails a proper Road Worthy check prior to the registration beiing issued, they aren't interested.

    I'm sure we'll even end up with 'P' platers driving V8 Kingswoods doing burn outs & stuff of a saturday night on club rego .... There hi-undi they drive every other day of the week... home in the shed... Imagine that. A scheme that can be used by everyone One less kingwood gone to the scrap, and still being enjoyed by the next generation of kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Just think... with regards to car club events... You have a car that you can actually drive .... You know the cars ok as you drive it all the time .... Maybe even a couple of times a week.

    Now who do you think is more likely to head to a car club event.... Someone who has there undrivable well polished never driven car sitting in the shed, that hasn't turned a wheel in 8months as there hasn't been a car club run within 200kms of your house................................. Or someone that's been driving there car and knows it's in good driving condition, and reliable........ It's really a no brainer. Gee's we wasted hundreds of dollars on that useless old scheme. Hey at least our cars have nice pretty numberplates as souvenirs of there lack of use

    I don't agree with "fixing" or pushing out the age cars are eligable for the scheme either. When was the last time you saw old Aussie cars on the road. These days you almost stop and look if you see a Torana being driven around.... Or a tidy VH (not very common) commonbore these days.

    I'm going to be most distressed if this new scheme .... get this ..... Allows people to actually drive there cars Imagine spotting an old car on the roads everytime you're out driving.... Will you be like me and admirei it.... Or start fuming ... "Someone is driving that car when it should be sitting in a shed/yard un-used.... Where's the phone, I'm reporting them"

    My sister isn't so keen. You see the street rodders butcher there cars. It highly unlikely a lot of there cars would pass a RoadWorthy. So even though they love the idea of this scheme. If it entails a proper Road Worthy check prior to the registration beiing issued, they aren't interested.

    I'm sure we'll even end up with 'P' platers driving V8 Kingswoods doing burn outs & stuff of a saturday night on club rego .... There hi-undi they drive every other day of the week... home in the shed... Imagine that. A scheme that can be used by everyone One less kingwood gone to the scrap, and still being enjoyed by the next generation of kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    That is the type of thing that will close down the scheme completely. if it gets out of hand.
    You do have to own a car on normal reg to be part of the scheme, so hopefully this will reduce the rorting.
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    The highlighted statement is totally wrong. At an AOMC meeting three to four years ago, a VicRoads bloke stated quite openly that their intention was to get the 'historic fleet was something to be proud of and we want to find a way of getting it on the road'. He expanded on the proposal, and in doing so, noted that if you have four cars on CH plates that there would be no need to have a car on 'conventional reg'.

    The thing that has the potential to close the scheme down is 'dodgy' clubs who are prepared to sign off on cars that are not eligible for CH registration i.e. do not conform to the spec's of a model built at the time, do not have an engineers cert. for modifications made etc. Something like a V6 504 or an 1100 engined R4 should not get into scheme under CH rules, however these would both fit in the SR. It may be up to the clubs to make sure that they have both eyes open when they tick off a vehicle for the new permit scheme.
    The onus on the clubs will be greater - I think they will have to sign off on an annual basis that the cars listed under the scheme are still as described and are notionally roadworthy. Should members of any one club found to breeching the law then you can bet your left one that Mr V. Roads is going to review the standing of that club. And this is as it should be - there should not be a system which allows unroadworthy cars on the road because they are old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    The Street Rodders have their own permit scheme.
    Both SR and CH permits will be included in the new scheme - from the club meeting last night it would appear that the scheme will be introduced in early 2011. Timing may have something to do with an election next week.
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    Must have changed, this was stated 6 months or so ago.

    A lot of these highly modified cars are only on the road for a very small period of time.
    The rest of the time they are on a trailer or competing (covered then by CAMS insurance) so they are actually reducing the risk of accidents and therefore cost of insurance for the rest of the fleet.
    Agreed that they shouldn't be seeking Historic permits as a way of driving these otherwise unregisterable vehicles on the road on a daily basis.
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    Hoping QLD also takes up this scheme. Currently Historic Rego is $176 a year and the limits being 15 K radius of the registered address, or to a repairer within reason, or of course to a club magazine published event

    You can't use the car/bike to go to a friends' place within the 15K radius on a Sunday afternoon as the "testing" must only be from the registered address back to the registered address, with no stopping in between.
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