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    Default F***ing Re**o w**kers!!!

    OK - need to vent a bit...

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    Am selling the 406 to a nice enough guy who doesnt know much about cars, so he wanted his mechanic to look it over. No worries says I, knowing full well its fine.

    Well, they reckon its weeping oil from the gearbox and will cost $3000+ to remove gearbox and send it away to "have all the seals replaced".

    What?!! says I. Rang them and asked them where its leaking. "we dont know" says them, "we would have to pull it out and send it away as we dont have the equipment to replace gearbox seals". You have to be joking, I could do it in my driveway with a socket set So I asked them - "is it the driveshaft seals?" No.

    "OK, is it the input shaft seal?" No.

    "OK, where then is it leaking?". "We dont know, we would send it away as we dont have the equipment to replace gearbox seals" WT F?????

    So now this guy has predicyably panicked and bailed They didnt even pick it as a roadworthy item - its just damp on the casing, but its worth $3000 they reckon. Good bloody grief....

    How the hell do these turkeys get away with this stuff??!!! I am stunned. I have told this guy these guys are taking him for a ride, and even if he wants to reneg on my car, he should be careful for his other car - they are out to rip him off big time and dont know the basic principles of fault diagnosis and repair. May have convinced to seek a second opinion from the Pug specialist of his choosing, but it looks like I'm keeping the Pug a while longer....
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    You should've glued a Ford badge to the front of it...

    Would've passed with flying colours

    BTW - Why the sale?

    Gonna upgrade to another Renault?

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    It would be typical- nearly as good as having RAC check.

    A few years ago my neice had their nice family mechanic rebuild her Camira motor- rings and bearings- valve job- head was good -one owner car.

    Only $3500- we could buy new short motor from Holden dealer for around $1350. We did not say anything-only came to our workshop when they problem that they thought would be expensive or their back yard guy could not handle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    BTW - Why the sale?

    Gonna upgrade to another Renault?
    Nah, going back the R25 as I got sick of $400 a month in payments. Have a few other more pressing needs for the money, and a flash car has dropped back on the priorities.

    Just so incredibly stunned at the level of incompetance and blatent lack of any ability to understand such basic stuff like diagnosing a simple oil leak.

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    Not a good thing.

    There has to be something that can be done. Fair trading may-be??? Consumer Affairs.

    I'd say though that it is a 'matter of opinion' and you'd have no chance getting any action taken.


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    It gets better.... Soon as I got on the freeway, I noticed the steering wheel jumping about. Yep, you guessed it - wheel nuts looses. Cant believe it. Two were finger tight, and the rest had been lightly tightened.

    Rang them of course to inform them of my displeasure at this state of affairs. Not rude, no swearing, just firmly upset and got many apologies and promises to pay any repairs at my repairer of choice.

    I am even more stunned than I was before. This is stupid. What the hell are they teaching apprentices these days?? There is a funny little device called a torque wrench - I wonder if they are familiar with it.... Especially critical on cars with alloy wheels.

    Alloy wheels that I am fairly certain they have scratched with their bloody rattle gun. I should be requesting the wheels be refurbished, but I have a sinking feeling it may be more hassle than its worth.

    I need a beer....

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    You vill not be prezentink deez frunch shitinboxez for zee roadworzees. Zay dezerve to be blown up and ven new are not roadworzee evenz.
    You clearly got the Roadworthy Nazi and I know the type I have one goose stepping his way around my workshop and has trouble justifying a roadworthy on a 10,000klm old car. I now get a mobile RWC guy in to do my work.

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    Yeah, but thats the stupid bit - he didnt fail the roadworthy for it, but its still worth 3 grand. If its that big a deal, surely it would be a roadworthy item....

    Nope, their not Nazis, just f**kwits....

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    Tell you what, you knock the $3k off for gearbox repairs i'll buy it

    Joking


    Dead set... Why didnt the buyer get an nrma inspection? Totally unbiased, usually thery'e pretty accurate... Oh hang on, then he might have to fork out extra cash?

    hmmm....do the racv offer this service?

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    Off the subject of french cars a little, but on the subject of SOME garage operators not knowing the basic principles of fault diagnosis - I bought a 1972 Hiace camper with a supposed duff motor. The oil light stayed on and there was an old engineers report in the glovebox describing it as having worn big ends, crank, rings, oil pump, you name it, and a quote for over £900 to repair (this was over ten years ago). The van had passed through several owners in this state before I got it and it would seem they had all taken the report at face value but never got around to fixing it. I had a spare engine to go in it, but first I thought I'd double-check the original. With a new battery, I found the motor started easily and ran really sweetly, so the engineers report seemed a little unlikely. I tried replacing the oil pressure sender and that fixed the problem of the oil light staying on. Engine continued to run fine. I can only assume the individual that wrote the report took one look at the oil light and invented the rest of the report, perhaps to cover the worst case scenario, but maybe to try to make a fast buck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon
    Nah, going back the R25 as I got sick of $400 a month in payments. .
    Hmmmm...

    Try $320 a fortnight. Although, I'm sure there are a few on here with higher repayments!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Industrie
    Hmmmm...

    Try $320 a fortnight. Although, I'm sure there are a few on here with higher repayments!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon
    Yeah, but thats the stupid bit - he didnt fail the roadworthy for it, but its still worth 3 grand. If its that big a deal, surely it would be a roadworthy item....

    Nope, their not Nazis, just f**kwits....
    Yep it would be a roadworthy item if the leak was that bad. We do pre inspections at our workshop for Euro cars and I have to baby sit this over exuberant senior Technician thru the pre inspect. Then not let him near the customer. I then write it up in a fair manner to both parties with the option to get it on the hoist so both can view any oil leaks or problems, but really! it would need to be bad to get my opinion on a repair cost. We had a customer who was looking to purchase a 250SL benz around a 65 model and he found one and bought it in. Looked stunning in fresh paint and trim but I knew the previous owner who did the restore. Now the prospective purchaser was a very high profile Barrister who gives us all his cars to service so I knew him well. As you can imagine these cars are a bit rare and a bit expensive so your advise needs to be balanced and spot on, now heres the rub. I knew the fresh and shiny paint was hiding some secrets but you could not tell to look at it . The previous owner was a artist and where the bog had gone on he had formed little impressions to look like spot welds looked bloody brilliant. What do I do tell the customer about it or shut up. The owner was a high profile dick head in Indy car circles. What would you do?

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    Yeah, fun to be in that position hey Mark? Been there done that!!
    We had a foreman who was as straight as a gunbarrel and as abrupt as a court bailiff; we affectionately called him Uncle Fester; 6 foot tall and built like King Kong. He took perfection to a new level so we had to lock him back in teh cage after he checked a car for a customer. We also had the "experts" look at cars who had the nasty habit of beckoning you round the other side of the car to the buyer and asking "how much will it be for me to not hear than knock in the engine" (often even though there wasn't one) so these kinds of inspections leave a lot to be desired.
    We eventually opted for a foolproof system that worked every time. We got and paid for an RACQ inspection and offered that as part of our normal deals. Didn't have it anywhere to be seen and didn't make a big deal of it when anyone came to inspect. Instead, if they insisted on getting one of the vultures to look at the car ("vulture" best described as one who is more interested in making a quid for himself by talking down the car so his tyre kicker mate down the road, who pays a good spotters fee comes along "by chance" after the event and sells you something the 'expert' approves) and returns with a dodgy report, we then produced the RACQ report and offered to take the purchaser to the RACQ to discuss why they found a different result for the inspection.
    Result, the RACQ, regardless of personal opinions, carries more credibility that a dodgy operators regardless of what kind of a story they tell and as a bonus, if both come out looking the same, you can be assured of a sale.
    I'd suggest doing the same, jacking the price $100 if need be although with a report from a similar group, you'll have less chance of then talking you down as much on the price than they would without the report due to the feeling of security they get from seeing that report. We even used to suggest they take it along to their inspection place of choice if need be as a result, the other inspection person or place rarely if ever argued with it, so it usually pays for itself.


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    As long as the gearbox "dampness" is only that then 10 bucks to put it up on the ramps and give it a good pressure wash would've been money well spent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren25
    As long as the gearbox "dampness" is only that then 10 bucks to put it up on the ramps and give it a good pressure wash would've been money well spent.
    Cheers
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    Yeah, hindsight is great.... I will give the guy a day to calm down, and offer an RACV test at my cost. That should be unbiased enough - I hope...

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    Read an NRMA inspection on a BX TRi once...

    Brake Operation "X"

    Problem "Brake Pedal Travel Insufficient"

    Accelerator Pedal - Missing Rubber Pedal Cover

    And under "Instruments".... "missing engine temperature gauge"


    Now there was money well spent.....!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttimbo
    The oil light stayed on and there was an old engineers report in the glovebox describing it as having worn big ends, crank, rings, oil pump, you name it, and a quote for over £900 to repair (this was over ten years ago). ------- I tried replacing the oil pressure sender and that fixed the problem of the oil light staying on. Engine continued to run fine. ?
    That's interesting. Only time this has ever happened to me was also a Toyota - a Lite Ace ute (indestructable but buggy level engineering with solid front axle). Light came on and stayed on half way to Mombasa in Kenya. Listened carefully, looked, decided all was OK and drove on. No problems and switch subsequently replaced and light went off and stayed off.
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    I have been vindicated! . One Pug specialist of his choosing inspection later and I have sold for the full asking price. Phew...

    He spotted a little weeping of engine oil (not gearbox oil ) and said worst case was a rear main seal and $500. But it wasnt pissing out and he wouldnt bother fixing it and it may well be fine for years. Finally a sensible and educated assessment.

    Now to amuse myself over the weekend dusting off the R25 and getting it ready for a roadworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon
    I have been vindicated! . One Pug specialist of his choosing inspection later and I have sold for the full asking price. Phew...


    Now to amuse myself over the weekend shouting all my aussifrog mates to a huge pre-Xmas BBQ and pi** up ..fixed

    Sounds good to me
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    Umm, yeah why not. All are welcome at my place in Guildford, Vic.

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    Great news Haakon, tis a shame you'll be saying goodbye to pugs again but I'm sure the R25 will keep you very happy.
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