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    Not a good result for the French...


    159 - Peugeot 807
    158 - Peugeot 307
    157 - Renault Espace
    156 - Renault Laguna
    155 - Mercedes M Class
    154 - Fiat Stilo
    153 - Rover 25
    152 - Renault Megane (Nov '02 on)
    151 - Peugeot 206
    150 - Citroen Xsara
    149 - Citroen Saxo
    148 - Peugeot 406
    147 - Renault Scenic (Sep '03 on)
    146 - Volkswagen Sharan
    145 - Ford Fusion

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    And now to the top 10 cars:
    10 - Subaru Forester
    9 - Skoda Fabia
    8 - Subaru Legacy
    7 - Honda Accord (Dec '02 on)
    6 - Honda Jazz
    5 - Skoda Octavia
    4 - Skoda Superb
    3 - Lexus RX300
    2 - Lexus IS200/300
    1 - Honda S2000

    Check out the full results at www.topgear.com
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    I thought "Top Grear" was a shop in Amsterdam that sold little bags by the gram....

    After reading the results... Either I was right, or the people compiling the list are a big customer....!

    These guys list the Kia Carnival (Sedona in the UK) as a "firm top gear favourite" and rate it four stars.... speaks wonders for their credibility!

    And look what they say about the Kia Optima (Magentis)..."A big, comfy, well-equipped, reasonably refined and perfectly civilised mode of transport"....

    I rest my case!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Z
    And look what they say about the Kia Optima (Magentis)..."A big, comfy, well-equipped, reasonably refined and perfectly civilised mode of transport"....

    I rest my case!!!!
    Erm, it probably is big, comfy, refined and well equipped Probably a good car for people who don't care much about driving or cars in general.

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    hyundai getz is better than all french car

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    just accept it ppl, french cars are crap!!

    I do, but it wont stop me from owning one

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    Is there a French equivalent? Wonder if they bag the crap outta Pommy cars? Not surprised at the results though, they are still playing catch-up to the Japanese.

    I'd love to do a survey of all the models to get a baseline. Why?

    Because say for example your expectations of a 307 are 100 points, and when you get the car you only score it 60 points .. it's therefore a miserable failure in your eyes.

    But say you get a Hyundai Accent, and your "expectations" is 50 points and when you get the car you score it 60 points .. it's therefore a amazing success in your eyes.

    Without a baseline, you can't make comparisons this way, as it's only perception. Then again perception is reality.

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    Watching top gear from the weekend - they made a joke about the french cars scoring so poorly in the survey - which btw had 76,000 respondants.

    Quote Originally Posted by topgear
    "I've just noticed something - of the bottom 13 cars - 10 of them are french"

    "that's probably why they are buring so many of them in France at the moment"

    "Actually you'll probably find that they are catching fire by themselves"
    Cruel but I still had to laugh...
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    Gees how about those Skodas?

    Amazing what that brand has achieved, given the old Skoda jokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham66
    Gees how about those Skodas?

    Amazing what that brand has achieved, given the old Skoda jokes.
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    Brand repositioning success story nonetheless

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    all i can say is my uncle's 1976 R12 that I was driving when i got my licence was in much better shape (especially the seats) and drove a lot better compared to the 1980's Mazda 626 that my other uncle had.

    similarly, i dare say the same of an R19 and a honda civic from the mid 90's. sure the civic might have been lower maintenance but i have no doubt when you look at the quality of the seats and the condition of the car, the R19 would look better and feel better.

    the only reason french cars end up being less reliable is because the talent pool in maintaining them in the first place is poor. the other reason is that a lot of owners generally do not take care of the cars with preventative maintenance. they just like to drive their cars to the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue2th
    the only reason french cars end up being less reliable is because the talent pool in maintaining them in the first place is poor.
    On a new car, there shouldn't need to be much maintenance done - period!

    Too many excuses, me thinks

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC
    Is there a French equivalent? Wonder if they bag the crap outta Pommy cars? Not surprised at the results though, they are still playing catch-up to the Japanese.

    I'd love to do a survey of all the models to get a baseline. Why?

    Because say for example your expectations of a 307 are 100 points, and when you get the car you only score it 60 points .. it's therefore a miserable failure in your eyes.

    But say you get a Hyundai Accent, and your "expectations" is 50 points and when you get the car you score it 60 points .. it's therefore a amazing success in your eyes.

    Without a baseline, you can't make comparisons this way, as it's only perception. Then again perception is reality.

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    But then Subaru, Honda, Lexus and Toyota have a sterling reputation but still score well - you would think if expectations came into it, what with the French cars' 'reputation' preceeding them, that they would score relatively better than the reality, the Japanese vice versa. But they don't.

    Then again the survey is compiled from responses, its not a blanket opinion thing - maybe only those Japanese car owners bursting with pride that they did the right thing choose to respond whereas for those complaining about their French motors, filling in the survey is a self fulfilling prophecy.
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    Definitely not as reliable as the JD Power survey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    On a new car, there shouldn't need to be much maintenance done - period!

    Too many excuses, me thinks
    I guess it's just lucky they sell so many of them, otherwise they'd be in a real pickle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206
    I guess it's just lucky they sell so many of them, otherwise they'd be in a real pickle.
    Watch them Golfs, they're a real threat!

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    Its a reader survey hence its biased by the number of responses for each
    model and the absurd things people consider important about their car.

    Without an accurate baseline dataset for every vehicle that the
    owners scores can be weighted against the outcomes of a survey
    like this is so much fluff and piffle.

    There are lies, damn lies and statistics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gti138
    Not a good result for the French...


    159 - Peugeot 807
    158 - Peugeot 307
    157 - Renault Espace
    156 - Renault Laguna
    155 - Mercedes M Class
    154 - Fiat Stilo
    153 - Rover 25
    152 - Renault Megane (Nov '02 on)
    151 - Peugeot 206
    150 - Citroen Xsara
    149 - Citroen Saxo
    148 - Peugeot 406
    147 - Renault Scenic (Sep '03 on)
    146 - Volkswagen Sharan
    145 - Ford Fusion

    And now to the top 10 cars:
    10 - Subaru Forester
    9 - Skoda Fabia
    8 - Subaru Legacy
    7 - Honda Accord (Dec '02 on)
    6 - Honda Jazz
    5 - Skoda Octavia
    4 - Skoda Superb
    3 - Lexus RX300
    2 - Lexus IS200/300
    1 - Honda S2000

    Check out the full results at www.topgear.com
    & CITROEN beat Renault & Peugeot in overall score per manufacturer. That's because they are superior and more advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide Perinet
    & CITROEN beat Renault & Peugeot in overall score per manufacturer. That's because they are superior and more advanced.
    More like less people complained about them. Or maybe Citroen owners can't read or write. Ha ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    More like less people complained about them. Or maybe Citroen owners can't read or write. Ha ha!
    or less people complained because they had nothing to complain about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide Perinet
    or less people complained because they had nothing to complain about
    Crikey, this guy's worse than Uga

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    More like less people complained about them. Or maybe Citroen owners can't read or write. Ha ha!
    What a lame excuse. Why can't you fathom the fact, that Citroen is improving it's reliability and overall image? Not to mention, superior designs and styling, which Poogoe can only copy.

    Renault seems to be heading in a downward spiral.... I think Davide has summed it up perfectly.
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    If they are such bad cars why then has the Clio III been voted car of the year. Sure, this is based on drive/function/layout etc but come on - credit is due to the European cars.

    Why did the Ford Mondeo become COTY in 1997 - YUK!

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    go the Jazz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reno
    go the Jazz
    New Avatar, new avatar!!!

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