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    Icon10 anyone going to the WRC?

    Heya froggies! (especially all you western australian flavoured frogs)

    Im trying to organise a trip to go see the rally in november this year, but know absolutely nothing about Perth!

    The plan so far, is that we'll head over, grab a car, drive downa nd spend a couple of days in and around Margaret river. Then we head back up to perth and spend a couple of days checkong ou the city before the rally. then we watch the actual rally for its 3 days. To finish off, we're hoping to head north and have a week of quiet cruising up and down the coast.

    Can anyone tell me what its like trying to follow the rally? Im guessing it will be pretty hectic - lots of early starts and long drives out into the bush. Would you still stay somewhere in the city and drive out every day?

    Where are the nice places in perth to stay - what sorta suburbs should i be looking for?

    What other things are there to do in perth? Are there any other "must see" events/places that we can check out while we're there?

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    I went to only one day's stages last year. BTW I've just had a week staying on a farm in Carbanup, 25km from Margaret River (great town; my favorite part of WA, this area. We go there a couple of times a year.).

    I used to follow the whole rally before it became so commercialised (ie. less crowded, better access) and even then it was pretty hectic following every stage. You generally had to leave a stage after the Group A's had passed so that you could comfortably catch them at the next stage. I'd always watch the whole field on at least one stage though, as the lesser cars are interesting, just a bit slow compared to the big-name drivers/cars.

    If you don't mind driving, I'd stay in Perth and drive out. It's a lovely time of year for an early morning drive, anyway. One warning - sunscreen and a hat is almost as important as water! Perth CBD is packed with good accommodation and the traffic is light-ish compared to most cities. Fremantle is another option, and has a lot of character and good pubs/restaurants. And hippies.

    I'm sure more opinions will follow.

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    If you want a hire car ... book it now. There is a severe shortage at that time of the year .. also don't tell them it's for rally watching. There are clauses in WA rentals that say you are not supposed to take them on gravel .. unfortunately to spectate this is not possible, but if they know you've been rally spectating they'll double check the car for damage ... companies like Euro have been known to charge for the smallest stone chips (and $1000's too). Been a few court cases over it.

    Most of the rally routes are south and east ... (and it'll be "similar" to 2004 so check out those routes) Don't be surprised if they change the days they do each leg though Gloucester Park Super Special is in for some changes too

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    There are clauses in WA rentals that say you are not supposed to take them on gravel .. unfortunately to spectate this is not possible...
    ...Gloucester Park Super Special is in for some changes too

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    So most of the roads to where youd actually sit and watch are unsealed??

    hmmm..

    Ive been looking on the wrc website (not much help, still has last years info on it... doesnt someone here work on it, or is it one of the 206gti.net boys?) and there was a "rally club" ticket which gave you access to a bus which went to a few of the spectator areas, do you know anything about that?

    ...maybe gotta look at a 4wd... (yuck!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by enthused!
    So most of the roads to where youd actually sit and watch are unsealed?? ...maybe gotta look at a 4wd... (yuck!)
    Yes, and you will need to travel on parts of gravel to get to places (especially enthusist points) BUT you won't need a 4WD, the roads there are 98% sealed, but if you're going to Margaret River you'll find a few more. Just warning on the rental situation (re: stone chips and such).

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    You DEFINITELY do not need a 4wd!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    Yes, and you will need to travel on parts of gravel to get to places (especially enthusist points) BUT you won't need a 4WD, the roads there are 98% sealed, but if you're going to Margaret River you'll find a few more. Just warning on the rental situation (re: stone chips and such).

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    Taking the hub-caps off and gaffer-taping the sills/arches helps, as does taking out the ABS fuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casnell
    Taking the hub-caps off and gaffer-taping the sills/arches helps, as does taking out the ABS fuse.
    he he..

    I was just thinking something along these lines... maybe fashion a car bra out of a couple of layers of contact...

    cool. will do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey
    You DEFINITELY do not need a 4wd!!!

    Stu
    That's very true - I was there last year working as one of Peugeot's weather crews. They gave us a new 307 with only 20k on the clock or something. We took it over all sorts of tracks and covered something like 1500k in the 3 days.



    It's well worth the trip and you get to see the action close up and it's pretty reasonable to get into the service park etc and you can probably see most of the action in the forrest for free if you drive around a bit. Otherwise you can go to the spectator stages on Sunday and you'll see the watersplash and jumps that you normally see on tv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gti138
    You can probably see most of the action in the forrest for free if you drive around a bit.
    Negative - it's virtually impossible to see the cars in action unless you go to a spectator point .. There is special legislation in place that gives the organisers to powers of local police in regards to arresting people in area's they shouldn't be. You just can't get in, 10 years ago we could, but not now.

    In any case 2005 might be the best year to go if you want to see the WRC in WA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    Negative - it's virtually impossible to see the cars in action unless you go to a spectator point .. There is special legislation in place that gives the organisers to powers of local police in regards to arresting people in area's they shouldn't be. You just can't get in, 10 years ago we could, but not now.
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    Damn those government types and their efficient law making! Is that because the rally is held in the dieback areas?

    All the rally's that I've been involved in we have the rights to stop traffic but not the rights to arrest people. Although that would be fun!

    The rally visit this year? Is that because Victoria are stealing it off you like they did with our grand prix? Or is it moving to tarmac?
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    I went to Perth last year for the first time, and joined the Australian Rallysport News tour. It was the first time they'd run the tour at Rally Australia, but they've been doing Rally NZ for several years now.

    Because it was the first year, there were only 6 people on the tour, which meant we travelled in a LandCruiser troop carrier rather than a minibus. Our driver/guide was Karl Drummond, ARN correspondent and regular competitor in the WARC, and hence very knowledgeable about the local area, the rally and the peripheral goings-on. We stayed in the Subaru team hotel, so that was good for a bit of star-spotting, as was the post-rally party at Rally HQ

    All in all, I found it a good way to see the rally without a lot of the stresses that can be involved, and I would recommend it to Rally Australia newbies. Having said that, I think I'll be driving myself around this year. I would have to agree with the previous points about needing to leave the spectator points as soon as the WRCs have gone through if you want to catch them at the next spectator point.

    I must also second the point about sunscreen and hats, and nominate insect repellent as another essential. Having spent 14 years growing up in the bush, I thought I knew how bad flies could get, but they are in absolute plague proportions out in the forests over there. Or maybe the last 5 years in Sydney have just turned me soft
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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    There is special legislation in place that gives the organisers to powers of local police in regards to arresting people in area's they shouldn't be. You just can't get in, 10 years ago we could, but not now.
    Yep; at the first Rally Oz, at one stage I was behind a tree that some of the cars were clipping with their rear as they oversteered exiting a hairpin. Not stupid, as their momentum had been washed off. Much more involving. Although at the Bunnings stage I did get whacked by a fist sized rock in the back of the head which I thought had been thrown at me, but realised that it had been flicked up by a rally car doing about 150+...

    Can't remember the year, but to put it in perspective there was a Mini in it. Not a BMW Mini, either!

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    2005 - not only the best rally - probably the last!
    According to tonights news, this will be the last WRC rally in WA. Unless private funding comes to light - because the WA govt is not going to continue to financially support it after this year.

    To give you an idea of the layout:

    The centre of the rally is at Gloucester Park (the trotting/pacing track)at the eastern end of the CBD near the Causeway over the river. Here the Super Stages are held each night and also the service park and parc ferme so there are a few opportunities to have a bit of a look around the cars - they are usually parked there each night.

    The viewing stages in the bush are controlled - you can't just drive into the bush and park wherever you like. Two reasons - one, for safety of spectators & crowd control and, two, so they can collect some admission fees from you! Get a season ticket to cover you into all these areas.

    If you look at the routes / viewing areas, usually the stages are used twice -once on the way out of town & again on the way back. It is probably impossible to see them all, because of queues & parking etc. But it is possible to watch one stage for a while then skip a couple and get to another stage before the top WRC cars go through because the main road access is quicker than the route the WRC cars go and they are stationery at a few points while they reassemble for the next lot of stages. So have a look at the maps and program and choose a coulpe of spots for the day.

    Historically, Sunday (final day) has been at Sotico (Bunnings) about 80 kms South of Perth down the Albany Highway near North Bannister (Which is just a roadhouse/hotel). The stages are in a valley with several corners of the stages accessible by walking around a bit, and the stages are repeated, so you get to see the cars several times. Basically you go there for half a day and see quite a bit including the downhill jumps and the water splash.

    Accommodation: I think the teams & crews still stay at the Sheraton - is that correct, anybody? - which is also at the Eastern end of Perth CBD if you want to fraternise with the big names (and the small ones). There are a few hotels around this area, and it would be handy to the action. Also anywhere along Great Eastern Highway between Perth and the Airport would be convenient (including the Burswood Casino/Hotel if you can afford it). And as Stuey says, if you want the night life & cafes go to Fremantle, but it's a bit of a hike backwards & forwards to the rally centre.

    Also, I don't think the access roads are bad enough to damage hire cars unless they are driven by idiots (rally spectators?). Most people just take their own car - it's not a problem - maybe you'll need to wash a bit of dust off before you take it back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman
    Accommodation: I think the teams & crews still stay at the Sheraton - is that correct, anybody?
    The Sheraton is Rally HQ - where all the behind-the-scenes stuff happens. The crews themselves stay in various other places, but all seem to be around the CBD. For example, last year the Subaru team were in the Crowne Plaza, just down the road from the Sheraton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman
    2005 - not only the best rally - probably the last!
    According to tonights news, this will be the last WRC rally in WA. Unless private funding comes to light - because the WA govt is not going to continue to financially support it after this year.
    Must be a slow news day! They have pulled that line every year for the past 5 years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman
    The centre of the rally is at Gloucester Park (the trotting/pacing track)at the eastern end of the CBD near the Causeway over the river. Here the Super Stages are held each night and also the service park and parc ferme
    SSS at GP, but service and parc ferme (hey someone knows how to spell it ) most likely be else where in 2005 (not hard to figure out).
    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman
    So have a look at the maps and program and choose a coulpe of spots for the day.
    Get an enthusiests pass, you'll get access to specator points most can't, and the crowds are less - good for photo opportunities.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman
    Historically, Sunday (final day) has been at Sotico (Bunnings) about 80 kms South of Perth
    Maybe moving to Sat.
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    Accommodation: I think the teams & crews still stay at the Sheraton - is that correct, anybody?
    Alot do, as do the OrgComm members
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    Also, I don't think the access roads are bad enough to damage hire cars unless they are driven by idiots (rally spectators?).
    It's called "competitive spectating" ... keep speeds lowish and you'll be fine, it's the idiots going the otherway that you watch out for (and that's not rally cars - they don't see oncoming traffic on closed roads).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gti138
    ... I was there last year working as one of Peugeot's weather crews. They gave us a new 307 with only 20k on the clock or something. ....
    And how did you get this job??
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    Quote Originally Posted by enthused!
    And how did you get this job??
    I gave it to him - I was just a "little" busy with my own Rally Committments.

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    Bring it to Sydney!!!!

    Agh.. forgot, last season for Peugeot/Citroen... meh stupid rally.

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    I went in 2003 and it was good.

    Definitely get a rally club / enthusiast pass and go to the enthusiast points. It is worth every penny. Less crowds, better views of proper rally stages. You can go to the 'normal' spectator points too but many are a bit mickey mouse and you're kept too far back with hoardes of kids etc..

    I hired a RAV4 because of the gravel road clause in insurance. At no point did I need 4wd but it was just in case someone drove into me, I hit a roo or something and had insurance problems. Make your own choice there.

    Also I stayed out of Perth, down the coast at Mandurah. This kept my route to the stages off the main rally/spectator routes which are a bit of a speed trap magnet. I'd do that again but it's personal preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    I gave it to him - I was just a "little" busy with my own Rally Committments.

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    any chance of any vacancies this year?

    is it a regular thing that they need people for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by enthused!
    any chance of any vacancies this year?
    is it a regular thing that they need people for?
    I'm sure they will want people, but if I'd advertised it on AF what do you think would happen ?? CHAOS !!

    Allocation was based on previous volunteer involvment with rally sport (which GTi138 had some), and local rally and driver knowledge (which the local WA driver had - WRX2PUG). I would have been doing the job, but had to give it away, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    I gave it to him - I was just a "little" busy with my own Rally Committments.

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    You know that I'll never forget that Guy! When I'm king of the world I'll give you a small european country that has great roads for driving on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    I'm sure they will want people, but if I'd advertised it on AF what do you think would happen ?? CHAOS !!
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    hmmm... fair point.

    is is just a word of mouth thing, or is it formally advertised somewhere?
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