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    I've got a bit of work planned for the underneath of my car. What are people's opinions on the pros and cons of axle stands and car ramps. I do not have access to a pit or a hoist which would make life easy.

    I'm looking at some work on the suspension and steering so obviously I would need to use the method that would best suit that.

    My main concern is the stablilty of the stands, as well as the best location for them at the front end of the car.

    Any advice would be great

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    i prefer stands over ramps as you have more room to play with under the car

    ramps cut into your free space

    you can place the stands under the engine cross member where it meets the body/chassis rail at the front if you are doing suspension work on the front end but my advice is if you are doing something to the front and is do one side at a time and only have one side up at a time and place the stand under the radiator cross member

    as for the rear you can put the stands at either side of the rear cross member where it meets the body
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    Ramps will only hold the car up while the wheels are on... and that doesn't lend itself to using ramps as you might want to take the wheels off...

    Additionally, Ramps take up a lot of room, making it harder to get under the car from behind the front wheels, for instance.

    A stand with a good broad base is fine.

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    OK thanks. Would the standard jack lift the car high enough, or would it be neccessary to get a high lift jack also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlb
    OK thanks. Would the standard jack lift the car high enough, or would it be neccessary to get a high lift jack also?


    i have a normal hydraulic jack and it does ok

    if i need more height from it then i just put some planks under it and gain some more height
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    If you really want height, drive it onto ramps first and then jack it up from there...

    If you find you want to maintain a height beyond what the stands will give, make sure what you put under the stands is solid and gives a good footprint.

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    Thanks guys, went for the stands. Spent most of the day under the car. Sort of wish I hadn't. Ignorance is bliss as they say. Watch this forum for what disaters I found.

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    I just know there's a flector and an oil leak in there somewhere...

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    A combination of ramps and stands I find best.

    You drive up onto some nice high ramps, then when you need to do suspension work you jack the front corner up and place it on axle stands removing the ramp out of the way in the process(does this make sense).

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    Depends on what you have to mount the stand on the suspension with...

    I would think that a stand could be quite dangerous under a front suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Depends on what you have to mount the stand on the suspension with...

    I would think that a stand could be quite dangerous under a front suspension.


    How on earth could you put a stand under front suspension ........... Oh yeah, you have one of those funny poogoe things without proper suspension and a bloody great big diff of unsprung weight to put the stands under.

    What you need to do on a car with *proper* suspension is put the axle stands under a strong chassis rail with a block of wood to spread the weight.

    Ahhh .... for the sheer simplicity of hydraulics, it can't be beat

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    I improved a set of standard angle-iron ramps years ago by making the ramp part detachable and longer (less steep). Once up, you remove the ramp bit which gets in your way.

    You need to brace the rectangular box portion if the ramp section is providing the only triangular bracing. You also need to reinforce the ramp part if you lengthen it much. You need to connect the front of the ramp part to the bottom of the box part to prevent it flipping when the weight of the car moves onto the ramp bit. I used a piece of chain and a "peg". Also dowelled the top of the ramp to positively locate onto the box part.

    You justdrive up onto the top, chock the wheels, unhook the chain and lift off the ramp bit. The lower incline makes reversing up easier without bottoming out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WLB
    I improved a set of standard angle-iron ramps years ago by making the ramp part detachable and longer (less steep). Once up, you remove the ramp bit which gets in your way.

    You need to brace the rectangular box portion if the ramp section is providing the only triangular bracing. You also need to reinforce the ramp part if you lengthen it much. You need to connect the front of the ramp part to the bottom of the box part to prevent it flipping when the weight of the car moves onto the ramp bit. I used a piece of chain and a "peg". Also dowelled the top of the ramp to positively locate onto the box part.

    You justdrive up onto the top, chock the wheels, unhook the chain and lift off the ramp bit. The lower incline makes reversing up easier without bottoming out.
    Just don't forget to reattach the ramps before driving off
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlb
    Just don't forget to reattach the ramps before driving off
    Or if your a complete nutter you could build something like this:

    Closest thing to a hoist

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Or if your a complete nutter you could build something like this:

    Closest thing to a hoist

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    Ah, another fine example of Aussie Over-Engineering .

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    Well i just invested in some axle stands... not bad for about $45 & look quite well built (i'll have the bricks as automatic fail over though)...

    Then got a hydraulic jack, those f*king bastards at supercheap...
    umm yeah we can order it & get one put aside... (next week) ummm no nothing is here... well i left my name & ph here!!! where's that... ummm dunno.. ok, you'll get more in next week rite? put one aside.. (next week) ummm no they're sold out... none put aside....

    Bait advertising i think....
    they put an item on sale & carry 1 at a store.... *sigh*

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    Well, I stood on them and got the price on my engine crane...

    Just go in there and tell them you want them to get one in. I'm told, by the way, that it's not legal to advertise a special and not carry sufficient stock to supply it.

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    I reckon you need both ramps and stands for different jobs. There's nothing as easy as ramps when you just want room to crawl under. I used to have four ramps (one set home-made out of timber) to get the whole car in the air but these days I just put one end on the ramps and put the other end on stands if I want to do that.

    I had a set of ramps made when I lived in Malaysia nearly thirty years ago. The chinese man in the muffler and general welding shop didn't speak any English but understood my diagram all right. When I went back to pick them up they were beautifully welded with a strong angle-steel frame with 1/8" steel plate welded on top. You could drive a semi onto them and they'd laugh at the weight. Only problem is that they're a bit heavy to lug around. I reckon my great grandchildren's children will still be using them though.
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