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    Default e10 Fuel - Media Release

    Interesting, however has limited applications for Pugs, Cits and Renaults as per http://www.autoindustries.com.au/eth.../00000001.html


    Premier & Trade, Peter Beattie

    09/02/05


    E10 Trial Revs Up: Beattie

    MACKAY: An additional 17 outlets will be added in the next two months to
    the 27 already offering e10 fuel in Queensland Premier Peter Beattie said
    today.

    In Mackay to open a new $18 million international hotel, the Premier
    previewed that the e10 expansion includes additional outlets in Mackay.

    "In the coming week local MP Tim Mulherin will join BP officials to outline
    the local additions," he said.

    The Premier said that as part of this BP Australia (BP) would run a sales
    promotion campaign support their e10 product.

    "The State Government welcomes the move by BP.

    "All sites will have brochures and promotional collateral including
    Queensland Government ethanol vehicle stickers.

    "Additional e10 outlets will be in places like the Gold Coast, Rocky,
    Toowoomba and many more in suburban Brisbane.

    "Our campaign is taking up. It will be even better when the State Nationals
    follow the lead taken by their newcomer, Senator-elect Barnaby Joyce.

    "Senator-elect Joyce has again been quoted in a national newspaper
    (weekend's Sydney Morning Herald) urging that there be a national mandate
    for ethanol.

    "I am delighted that another Queensland National agrees with us. He joins
    National's Senator Ron Boswell who made a similar call in December.

    "They must now get the message to their State colleagues like Messrs
    Springborg and Seeney and co.

    "The Senator and his new chum know that development of a national ethanol
    industry has significant potential for Queensland to offset downsizing in
    the sugar industry.

    "It can be a clean growth industry creating employment and economic
    development opportunities in the regions - just like here in Mackay."

    Later this week State Development Minister Tony McGrady is to release more
    details of Southern Queensland locations that will be offering the e10
    blend.

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    9 February 2005
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    Here is a preliminary list of outlets in Brisbane:

    BP Boulevarde, Cnr Donald St and Hornibrook Esp, Woody Point
    BP Shop Loganholme, 4080/4120 Pacific Highway, Loganholme
    BP Express Springwood, 3388 Pacific Hwy, Springwood
    BP Toowong, Cnr Sherwood Rd and Jephson Rd, Toowong
    BP Express Aspley, 1316 Gympie Road, Aspley
    BP Express Hamilton, 126 Kingsford Smith Drive, Hamilton
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    So how long before the bagging brigade start to tell us it's blowing up our engines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    So how long before the bagging brigade start to tell us it's blowing up our engines?
    Is there a short answer for OR against the use of ethanol blended fuels??
    Preferably from a non-vested interest?? CSIRO reports perhaps?
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    ...and wait till you year what it does to the children who sit in the gutter alongside the queues at the traffic lights breathing the fumes!

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    i say they start making pure ethanol for cars to run on

    forget this 10% crap

    i can't see why most cars on the road can't run on it and you grow the stuff to make so there is no need to pull it out of the ground
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    Rambo has the right idea. You could make a blend palatable to humans and if you broke down in the desert you'd be able to drink the fuel.

    Why do they say ethanol is bad, drag cars run well on alcohol.
    Could be the cure for slow 505 gr/sr
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    i say they start making pure ethanol for cars to run on

    forget this 10% crap

    i can't see why most cars on the road can't run on it and you grow the stuff to make so there is no need to pull it out of the ground
    I suspect the oil companies have arrived at the 10% ethanol content because they know anything higher will create problems. Higher than this figure would require an additive to allow it to mix with petrol, these additives,for instance acetone, would have environmentalists in a state of apoplexy!

    For Pugrambo's benefit who espouses the use of 100% ethanol/methanol.
    I'm surmising that ethanol would have similar characteristics to methanol.
    If so it has a greater surface tension to petrol requiring the use of greatly enlarged fuel lines, carb jets, injectors etc. Something in the region of 100% increase. Put simply ethanol/methanol flows like water, try running water through a 6 or 8mm fuel line then do the same with petrol. Big difference?
    Ethanol/methanol greatly absorbs water, [hygroscopic] causing corrosion in metal fuel lines, fuel pumps, carbs and injection distributors etc. It also reacts with some rubber products, pump diaphragms, O rings and fuel lines.

    HKP mentions drag cars using alcohol [methanol]. This is true but because of the corrosive effects their fuel systems would be drained at the end of the day.

    What we really need is the simplified words of a fuel expert [Petrologist?].
    I have read that petrol as we know it is the most efficient fuel for power per litre etc. Adding 10% ethanol is just one way of extending a finite source.
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    when i was younger we used to be able to buy methanol at the local servo and we used to get 20L at a time and stick it in the car then top it up with fuel

    not once did we ever have any trouble with it

    but i am lead to believe methanol is different from ethanol

    it can attack some rubber components but that can be overcome

    i have also been told that some busses in canberra are running on ethanol so it can be done

    it's all down to the oil companies running the show

    i'm serious, if i can get a supply of ethanol then i will do whatever it takes to convert to it

    i had a customer of mine tell me that he can get 6 44gal drums of it for nics but that is not enough for me to convert over to it

    i think it is about time we start pushing for a cleaner environment and petrol/electric cars are not the way of the future
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    I found it amusing that Holden came out against ethanol, saying it would void warrenties etc. And yet they sell the Commondore in Brazil (Chevrolet Omega) where they ALL use 20% (i think) ethanol. I think it has different rubber in the lines/o rings etc and a slight remapping of the ECU. It can be made to work quite well and I say bring it on. 10% has been shown by CSIRO to make little if any differance, especially in these days of ECU/knock sensors that can adjust to suit as you drive.
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