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    hi,

    i was wondering what is the best thing to use for cleaning stickers/deco on the outside of a car.... i have a big silver peugeot lion on mine but its a bit dirty and the dirt doesnt come off with normal car wash so i wasn't sure what to use.

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    any help much appreciated.

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    Hi Mr.V or is it Mr Val.

    There is a Selleys cloth which is like a mesh with about 2mm holes -colour is yellow - and it will clean chrome, silver, pewter and other assorted metals etc.
    I have done MB grille, VW hubcaps etc.
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    cheers...

    its Mr V btw

    selleys clothe hmm? do they have them at autobarn or somesuch? if so i'll try and get one tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrV
    cheers...

    its Mr V btw

    selleys clothe hmm? do they have them at autobarn or somesuch? if so i'll try and get one tomorrow
    Maybe Supecheap but ours came from hardware store on Selley stand.
    Think it was Thrifty Link franchise.
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    btw = by the way

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    bump

    still i can't clean it off....

    i found that selleys clothe but didn't end up buying it cos the guy seemed sure it wouldn't work and it didn't look the goods for the job anyway...

    so is there anything else i can try? i'm getting a little desperate...

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    toothpaste with toothbrush

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    are you serious?

    does that have a chance of working?

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    You bet I'm serious, don't you get sick of having to have this new product stuff all the time, it's crap.

    Tell us how it goes.

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    nope, nada

    i went down to repco today and chatted for a bit to a guy about it, he suggested diluting some washing-up detergent, so i did that. still no effect...

    nooooo

    what else can i do?

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    Is it like black spots of stuff? That could be road tar from a freshly laid bit of tarmac.

    I've found that stuff doesnt come off very easily on duco. You can get specalised bug and tar cleaner but I'm not sure what effect they will have on your stickers.

    Might be best to try it on some area of the sticker that isnt obvious - or even better on a test bit of sticker.
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    incidentally i saw some bug and tar remover last week and bought some... again, no effect... well the sticker looks slightly discoloured where i tested it

    i will endeavour to take pictures...

    its like the kind of spots you get if you just wash your car and leave it to air dry, no chamois or anything... so a series of dirty little spots... looks great on silver

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    Calcium deposits (which is generally what water marks are) can sometimes be very hard to remove. Try some dilute vinegar - as this is an acid, and calcium (which is a base) should dissolve using vinegar. Try using an ear bud on one of the marks first to see if it budges it - no point in potentially damaging the finish. The reason for suggesting a single test is that badges made of plastic are not as robust to acids as paint work is.

    There are specific hard water cleaners available. Be very careful when buying them as most are acid washes and explicitly say not to use them on plastic (only paint and glass).

    If it works, immediately hose down your handy work to prevent the vinegar doing more damage.

    If it's a larger badge, you may be better off finding a new piece of trim from a wreckers or from Peugeot. They're typically not that expensive.

    NEVER use normal dish washing detergent on car paint. It strips the paint of all protection. Some people use it to strip back all the wax applied throughout the year, but I prefer to do that with normal car shampoo, clay, followed by paint cleaner and then re-waxing.

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    ok i'll give the vinegar a go... BUT i think you misunderstood me

    its NOT a peugeot badge on my car, it is a large aftermarket sticker (of the peugeot lion symbol) placed diagonally on the bonnet (passenger side) and the foot just goes over the side....

    the more i dig the more it seems i may have to pull it off i like it though.. makes my car distinct

    cheers

    PS will try and post pics within the next 2-3 days...

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    Oh. Are you sure it's not just an airbubble? Try working the sticker's surface with a bunched up detailing towel and see if the spots move.

    If it's got plastic cancer, there's little you can do beyond removing the sticker.

    Hopefully, you haven't discolored the surface under the sticker. If the paint has "sweated", it may become cloudy or chalky. There's no solution to this beyond a respray if buffing the paint doesn't work.

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    Toothpaste is a very mild abrassive cleaner, try it on an inconspicuous spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrV
    ok i'll give the vinegar a go... BUT i think you misunderstood me

    its NOT a peugeot badge on my car, it is a large aftermarket sticker (of the peugeot lion symbol) placed diagonally on the bonnet (passenger side) and the foot just goes over the side....
    Oh my, you've riced up your pug

    Not sure if these sort of things work too well on vinyl decals
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    hhmmm....

    how about this one.......
    Go to your laundry....get some domestos or whatever bleach product you use....mix it with water...say, 1 part bleach to 20 parts water....test on one small spot as suggested by others......I ve found that bleach can be very good when cleaning vinyl.....Naturally you will have to rinse thoroughly straight away....

    Its hard to offer advice in these situations...even pictures may not be able to "explain".....You ve got to be able to determine if you are definitely dealing with
    "surface" dirt and not something that has penetrated into the vinyl.....
    Have you tried your car polish.....hell it might be wise going over it quickly with prepsol (preparaory solvent/bug &tar remover) ...its scary as thats what you would use to help dissolve the sticker.....but a quick rub shouldnt do any damage if washed asap....


    cheers



    if all...fails...might be time to rip it off completely...........


    Oh...by the way......What colour is your ride.......???
    Reason I ask is although you might like the sticker.....if and when the time comes to sell...you might find that upon future removal you might end up with a "shadow" left behind by the sticker......UV affects some paints more than others...ie red.....can be particularly bad (esp acryl).....So be aware, sticker/emblem might be quite UV stable...but a future removal might leave you in a position where no amount of cutting and polishing will be able to remove the "shadow"

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    .....OK...I ve just done a bit of a search reg...the colour of your car...and one of your earlier posts you mentioned a maroon 405...Sticker was on the car when bought?......hmmmm
    I d really be concerned what the car will look like if you removed the sticker (maybe better , a more conservative lion emblem)....is the car clear coated?metallic? If not....a good detailer would be aware of consequences if sticker was removed...hence they left it on.....Was the car yard near a tram/train line...some of the particles near these locations can be nasty on everything from paints to vinyl.....but thats me getting ahead of myself.....The dirt marks you talk about....are they a new phenomenon or is it something that you inherited with the car????



    again cheers

    and goodluck


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrV
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    still i can't clean it off....


    so is there anything else i can try? i'm getting a little desperate...

    Try a vehicle signwriter (the ones who use stickers, not proper painters) and get a price for a copy of what you've got, you might be pleasantly surprised.


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    What about eucalyptus oil...

    its also good at getting stuff off (especially residue from adhesives!), and quite neutral on the surfaces...

    Try it on an inconspicuous part first

    At this rate you'll probably dissolve your entire car & be left with a dirty sticker...!

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    thanks everyone for the input...

    keep it coming! its not clean yet

    just to add some information, yes the car is red with silver sticker on it... the problem has only appeared after i have had the car so it is not inherited...

    no i didn't put the sticker on myself, it was there when i got the car...

    tried the toothpaste thanks edgedweller - no effect unfortunately

    vanderaj, its definitely not a bubble - see attached picture.. good advice though..

    nate, just came inside from trying the eucalyptus oil - again, no effect.

    dino, haven't tried vinegar yet but i'm getting more wary of cleaning products as i go along and i'm fairly certain its not going to work...

    have a look at the picture everyone please, thats how it looks ALL the time, even after being just washed (unless you catch it in the right light of course )

    lastly, i think i'm off to the signwriters this afternoon, see what they say.. thanks catshamlet for the suggestion...

    and yes nate i'm afraid i wont have much sticker left at this rate!
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    I'm thinking there is little you can do about that... Have you tried detailing clay? That'd be my last bet... maybe the guys over at www.autopia.org can help out?
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    you're dead right, GTI124...

    i took it to a specialist signage and sticker place at the 'gabba and the guy was quite good, came outside and had a look at it and a chat to me...

    basically he said its one of the cheap vinyl ones so the dirty marks (wherever exactly they are from) are etched permanently into it. end of the road for this sticker

    so i asked how much for a replacement and he said $65 and i said is that fitted and he said yes if you take the old one off. so he snapped a few digital pics of the sticker and the badge on the rear so it can be replicated etc.

    all in all i'm happy with that cos i'm getting quite attached to that sticker, plus it gives my car a distinctive air

    by the way the replacement has a 7 year manafacturers' warranty and its the same as they use on their own van so i'm inclined to trust it....

    so this is the end of this problem as it was, heres hoping when i pull it off it wont pull the paint off too

    thanks everyone for their input/ideas

    happy pugging to you all


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