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    I have managed to discover a new, honest and not expensive mechanic in Sydney that does a PERFECT job, knows French cars and does not charge silly money.

    Lloyd trained and is qualified in the UK and NZ.

    He works from home in Lugarno. Not full time, but certainly often enough.
    He has a car trailer to collect the car if need be.

    His rate is $30.00 per hour plus GST!

    He can do anything from making a lotus esprit turbo perfect, to completely restoring a concourse Jaguar XK120, to rebuilding the brakes on a 2cv, welding, cam belts on my sisterís japanese import, tune up with a huge vane diagnostic machine, welding, painting, electrical, engine rebuilds, complete restorations..

    He is french car trained from the UK and knows and enjoys the ins and outs of things like renault 5ís, Pug 205ís, Bxís etc..

    He has the habit of not charging for every minute he works and all his work is guaranteed.

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    His contact number is 0411964827

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehari James
    I have managed to discover a new, honest and not expensive mechanic in Sydney that does a PERFECT job, knows French cars and does not charge silly money.

    Lloyd trained and is qualified in the UK and NZ.

    He works from home in Lugarno. Not full time, but certainly often enough.
    He has a car trailer to collect the car if need be.

    His rate is $30.00 per hour plus GST!

    He can do anything from making a lotus esprit turbo perfect, to completely restoring a concourse Jaguar XK120, to rebuilding the brakes on a 2cv, welding, cam belts on my sisterís japanese import, tune up with a huge vane diagnostic machine, welding, painting, electrical, engine rebuilds, complete restorations..

    He is french car trained from the UK and knows and enjoys the ins and outs of things like renault 5ís, Pug 205ís, Bxís etc..

    He has the habit of not charging for every minute he works and all his work is guaranteed.

    His contact number is 0411964827
    This guy sounds like hero...I had some work done at a local reliable yesterday @ $79 an hour ...ouch!
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    It's about time somebody shook up some of these $80 - $110 an hour Bush Mechanics down Sydney way.
    Problem is, as soon as these guys start getting a heap of work, they think they can walk on water and charge accordingly and you're back where you started; make the best of it while you can.


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    Really what do you the consumer out there expect to pay for hard learnt skills. If everything is so easy to do, as you have all pointed out, then please do all your own repairs & see how many vehicles still pass roadworthy checks .I suspect not very many. CHEERS & COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON TO ALL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDG
    Really what do you the consumer out there expect to pay for hard learnt skills. If everything is so easy to do, as you have all pointed out, then please do all your own repairs & see how many vehicles still pass roadworthy checks .I suspect not very many. CHEERS & COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON TO ALL.

    Then you suspect wrong; thanks for the vote of confidence; we do, usually after the 'retired brain surgeons and rocket scientists' have screwed them up.

    Compliments of the Season to you also Sunshine....stay happy.



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    P.S. I'd also like to point out that I am a first class Tradesman in another technical but mechanically and electrically associated field that takes much more training and requires much more experience to be considered competant, and was considered to be one of the highest qualified in the field a few years back and I never saw fit to charge rates similar to some of these characters I referred to, and................I did it right the first time and gave a guarantee on my work and.....................I also retired at a young age. I still do a bit just to keep my mind tuned into my trade and never advertise, rarely ever had to. That's what happens when you have good work ethics and produce quality work at the right price.
    I looked, diagnosed and fixed. Not fiddled, fit, try something else, scratch bum, fart and charge like a wounded bull, blame the design of the product for my inefficiency, dispute the obvious cause of the recurring complaint as being in any way involved with the work I'd done and hence charge for it again, or leave obvious faults unattended because I either wasn't asked to look at them or felt there were more big dollars on the horizon when they failed completely, ask for money up front and then not do all the jobs I'd quoted on or advise the customer to buy something else after I'd charged them for me to stuff it and then claim that the customer was too tight to spend money. Sound familiar? Viva la difference!!
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    Originally posted by BDG
    Really, what do you the consumer out there expect to pay for hard learnt skills. If everything is so easy to do, as you have all pointed out, then please do all your own repairs and see how many vehicles still pass roadworthy checks. I suspect not very many.
    Mine do... no problems...

    There are some special tools required for some jobs, but little else stands between an intelligent being with the desire to do his own work and all problems solved.

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    Ray, you must be one of the very few that can & do get away with it ,CHEERS ,COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON TO YOUR FAMILY & FRIENDS...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDG
    Ray, you must be one of the very few that can & do get away with it ,CHEERS ,COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON TO YOUR FAMILY & FRIENDS...................
    mate,

    Can I respectfully suggest that as a newcomer to this forum, before you make any more ill informed & grandeous statements such as the ones you have already made, that you spend some time looking through the various forums and look at some of the postings and the associated responses.
    You will find that the majority of complaints about faults with these cars are as a result of dodgy "professional" servicing and in many cases members post here so that we "uninformed laymen" can suggest ways of overcoming the problems that in many cases have been man made.
    The 'Ethic' of Aussiefrogs is "Sharing the Knowledge" not "Promoting the idea that owners should be rippped off without questioning it" as has been the case for many years by all too many disreputable repairers.
    We don't say that ALL repairers are like that in fact there are a few professional repairers on here who operate to high standards and are prepared to both give and take advice and they are valuable members of this board's community. They too are aware that the overall standard of service on French cars is well below par on quality and way above on price.
    I can name several posters on here who never take their cars to 'pros" and never have the weird problems of those that do and none have ever had problems getting their cars through RWCs, so you don't have a valid point as I tried to tell you before.
    Ray's car is rarely off the road and when it is, he does the repairs, hence the 800K klms it's done, Shane has a variety that the same applies to, PeterT does rebuilds/hot ups as a hobby and I live in a regional area that is 3 1/2 hours drive from the nearest Cit repairer and between us we have 5 road going Cits and a track car and we're not the only ones, pugrambo who has a string of Pugs in his family and lives in regional NSW with no nearby dealers; you seem to have this weird idea if a rip off artist doesn't do the work, it's not done correctly, which tells us that you obviously don't do your own work and obviously don't mind keeping some of these dodgy repairers living in a manner to which they've grown accustomed. It's people with this idea of French Cars and what it takes to keep them roadworthy that these characters have lived off for years.
    I don't know how to tell you this, but on these forums, I doubt you'll find too many who would agree with your thoughts and like me, can all prove the opposite is the case.
    As I said at the outset, this guy who has been recommended will be a good wake up call for a few of these others and if you don't believe it is, then you obviously don't deal with the types some of these other poor buggers have had to for a few years.


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    Really what do you the consumer out there expect to pay for hard learnt skills. If everything is so easy to do, as you have all pointed out, then please do all your own repairs & see how many vehicles still pass roadworthy checks .I suspect not very many. CHEERS & COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON TO ALL.



    hehheheh...you are kidding me.....

    HARD LEARNT?????


    I do most of my work as well....stuff that I can make sense out of I will fix and probably to a MUCH higher standard than most mechanics....WHY? Because I start clean, am very pedantic and generally take pride.....Its also "MY" car so naturally I don t want to ###K things up because it lll cost me .....
    Now, sure I probably would not attempt a full rebuild on an mi16, I m just not that competant, (but i m sure i could do it if my life depended on it) so yeah I would n t mind paying MORE per hour for serious mechanical work as I believe its well deserved...One just needs to read some of the Peters posts to realise that one needs to be prepared to pay for such competance and expertise....
    But to be paying THE SAME RATES for wiper blade replacement, bulb replacemnet, window wash addetive, oil change, rotor change, filter replacements is just NOT RIGHT....And anybody who thinks otherwise is simply clueless and should not bitch about being ripped off....If you can not change your wiper blades does that mean you wear same underwear 24/7.....
    Lets be serious $80-$150 is way to much......$25-$80 is much better and thats all they should charge.....
    We had a RETIRED mechanic in Malvern do a lot of work on my dads cars for years...he was always spotless and his work was perfect each and every time....He charged $25 ph and on many occasions fixed things that we were not aware of free of charge....He retired completely a year or so ago.....but if he was still willing to do work ...yeah I d pay him up to $100 if I was desperate...but atleast ID KNOW the JOB was WELL DONE.....
    You on the other hand are prepared to preach acceptance while customers drive away with dirty engines, bits and pieces missing.....etc etc....
    I am of very STRONG opinion that MORE, MUCH MORE FRENCH cars have been F###d uP by mechanics than by their owners.... FULL STOP.....Hell if the apprentice can do the job...doesn t say much about your enthusiasm, maybe even intelligence...



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    But this post did remind me ...to drive past the old mechanics house and at least drop a card of....maybe a good bottle of wine......god knows he desrves it....

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    There's only one mechanic I would entrust my car too.

    Unfortunatly my grandfather is about 80years old and tinkering with cars is getting to much for him

    If there was someone with his experiance and expertise working on my car, I certainly don't think it would be wasted $$$$ even if being charged at the highest end of the price scale for a mechanic.

    I'm not saying I do all the work on my cars to perfection, BUT, I know how well something has been done, most of the problems I've had with car have been due to 'professional servicing' by previous owners. You should see the CX C-matic I was **given** last year. It's a bloody ripper of a car, it's also costed it's last 2owners thousands & thousands of $$$$ in servicing (and has NEVER been *right*). I have a stack of receipts for just a small portion of the $$$ that it has had spent on it. Really the receipts read like fairy tails It took me a weekend to fix all of the cars minor issues for next to nothing.

    I own a Xantia VSX and a CX2500 GTi Turbo that I run as daily cars, poeple are usually horrified to hear I work on them myself (especially the turbo). Can you think of anyone in Australia who has the knowledge of working on CX's as Alan and I combined and isn't a rip off artist Between us we would have to have 30years combined experiance in running/upkeeping these cars.

    DS's ... Now there is a car that requires a specialist What a bloody joke, they are the most easily infinatly re-buildable car known to man. If your really stuck the help on the internet in simply phenomenal. One person named Carter on the DSeries lists has more knowledge on these cars than all the 'specialists' in Australia put together. There is simply NOTHING he couldn't diagnose and fix on a DS.

    The only people in Victoria I would entrust any of my cars to is French Connection at airport west.... And that is because I've been dealing with them basically since they opened there doors, and they have never once done wrong by me. I also doubt you would have a 15year old apprentice working on your pride & joy, rather a competant french car mechanic. Plus anyone that knows me would know I'd tear 'em a new a$$hole before I'd let them rip me off or do poor work on my cars.

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    Itís all well and good that we want things done cheaply, and I can agree to a certain extent. That said how ever, people deserve to make money for what they've put there time, effort and money into learning how to do, and whilst yes I agree some people charge exorbitantly for there service, you can't expect Heineken when you want to pay the cost of XXXX.

    Iíll take an industry, where I am qualified to give advice/work with people that think exactly the same way your post suggests. This has lead to hourly rates go from $40-$60 an hour, to as little as minimum award rates.

    Yes people deserve to pay a reasonable price, but the person doing the work also deserves to make there bottom dollar and charge a reasonable price.

    not that i'm defending $80-$110, but i am just making sugestion of what happens when people think as previous.

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    the only times my cars have been stuffed up is when i have paid for something to be done

    i have been working on pugs now for the last 21years and have done everything from changing plugs to rebuilding engines/gearboxes/diffs and working on the other mechanical parts in the cars

    i actually just rebuilt a dissy for the 604 from scratch the other day and threw it in the car to find it fired up first kick and performed exactly the way it should

    only needed a little tweak on the dwell and when i threw the timing light on it to check the timing it was spot on from ear

    the same car has gone from a car that had sat for a few years in a padock to passing roadworthy each time i have taken it

    the only work i am still wanting to learn is bodywork

    welding is no problem but painting is still a black art to me

    at least doing my own work i know what is in the cars and what has gone into them

    if my old man or mother need something done i get a call from them and it's done

    the only time my mother has had trouble with her car is when she has had a dealer work on it

    yes there are some very good mechanics out there but for myself and others on here they are too far away to get anything done by them

    we had a great mechanic when we lived in sydney called Bob Clark and he was very quick and thourough and i have a feeling he did his time with Paul V but i'm not sure, i'll have to ask him

    my father in law gets a 'mechanic' to work on his car and i shudder everytime i look at it to see what has/hasn't been done and now he has another newer car i still shudder to think what is going to happen to it (pity he didn't buy a pug)

    if i needed to rebuild the engine in the 306 tomorrow i'd do it

    blokes on here like Alan,Shane,Peter,Owen,Ray all do most of the stuff themselves and i haven't heard of one that has had trouble with getting a car passed a RWC
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    I had a similar noise on my 138, it turned out to be the water pump!
    Its worth checking out.

    I got my pump replaced under warranty, what is interesting is that it took three months before they fineally discovered the area of the noise.


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    Yeah I get the same noise ! They haven't been able to locate the culprit yet !






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    I'm in exactly the same boat as all of you. I had the fix done(apparently) but the noise is still there. I also have a rattling noise coming from the clutch too that they said was corrected but I still get that noise too, although not as bad. It's going in for it's recall on the 31st so I'll get them to check it out again for me.




    Now it took about 1 minute to find the above.......there is literally thousands of statements like these on AF......
    So doesn t it make sense that if these people knew what they were doing that we d have a lot less of these issues being posted...now think about the service fees at dealer level and HONESTLY tell me you still believe these "experts" deserve the money they are asking for......Their running cost aren t my problem....as far as I m concerned when a car is dropped of for a repair (no matter what cost) the job should be completed to satisfaction. FULL STOP
    If I wanted trial and error repair method I d have taken it to a tv repairer (who admitedly might actually do the job better)......Where are those HARD EARNED SKILLS that one is being charged for......????
    I think its the QUALITY of workmanship (at high rate) that gets up many an AF members nose...not so much the money paid for a job well done....



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    .....I forgot....


    Orestes...you r not tlking IT are you......
    Please.......so whatever happened to the 2000 bug......Wouldn t it be nice if you guys could come up with another alternative so the wages go up again while the consumer gets screwed.......
    I d go as far as saying that IT car "enthusiaists"/ customers are one of the reasons why mechanics
    charge so much (and why an Indian programer makes more these days)......But wait a second I might just be confusing IT with young
    liberals.....ouchhhhhh

    just kidding guys.......



    ok.....ok.....


    cheers


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    ps...shame there isn t an oversupply of mechanics as there was IT post Y2K....no wonder wages fell...admitedly dealer mechanic wages and dealer service charges have nothing to do with this topic.....mechanic is paid $25 an hour while the dealer charges $100......very very funny stuff...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDG
    Ray, you must be one of the very few that can & do get away with it
    This must be a wind up, Guv!

    I took one of my family's cars to a mechanic for the first time in over ten years a couple of months ago (other than warranty work) and that was my new-to-me Mi16 for a cam belt, only because I was working all the hours God gave me on a project. I sort of regret that only because it's one learning about the car I've missed out on. I'll be doing the next one...

    Other than that I've kept all my cars on the road myself, and I can assure you that my repairs are absolutely spot on - I'm the fussiest sod known. Everything has to be spot on, clean and working perfectly.

    I've had every mechanical part off the chassis of my R12 except for the front wishbones, in bits, and replaced/refurbished. It runs absolutely flawlessly and I flog it to the red line relentlessly. Great car (had to get that in).

    I've rebuilt motors, ported and rebuilt heads, gearboxes, clutches, complete braking systems, multiple carbs for friends cars etc. etc. I've never had a car break down. Ever. No, I'm not showing off, just explaining that the repairs must be good quality and properly done.

    Don't even begin to think you know what others can do properly, BDG. You're way out of line on that score in this forum.

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    One defence I would afford the paid mechanics is that they are somewhat justified doing more on a car than is necessary to satisfy the customer's immediate needs.

    For instance, a car comes in for some kind of service. On the way into the trouble area the mechanic recognises that something else might not be absolutely perfect any more.

    Now, if he doesn't fix it, he's likely to be pulled up when it fails and told he should have done! He might even be forced to do that repair for the cost of parts only.

    It's a very wasteful practice. It leads to parts only serving half the time they should, quite reasonable parts being thrown in their scrap bin because of a fear that the customer might come back at them some time.

    But it simply doesn't justify labour costs as they are.

    Let's face it, if a mechanic works a solid 30 hours in his 40-hour week, $50 per hour is $1500 for the week. On top of that there is profit on parts (margins of around 20%, probably), so the overheads in a 2-man or 3-man shop should readily be covered while they walk out with a nice pay packet each Friday.

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    Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I would bet on award wages for a mechanic at around $600 gross a week. No way would they be on $25 an hour or $1000. Remember, I'm talking AWARD wages which are the ones normally paid by the ones who charge out the $110 an hour.
    It was an old theory that a good operator will get around 30 chargeable hours out of a 40 hour week. That was until we had this 'pre-determined' job times.
    I was in a workshop a few years back where using this method, they regularly made 45 - 50 chargeable hours in fact it was an unofficial competition to see how far over the 40 hours they could get each week.
    As regards parts profit, the trick there is to use non genuine parts but to charge out at genuine prices. In one instance, a good supplier was found and the normal mark up was 35%. It was found that by marking these prices up 25% THEN 35% the prices could then still be charged out at a lower rate than genuine and this was always pointed out to the customer as a 'goodwill gesture.'
    So assuming he gets his $110 an hour, and then runs past his 40 allocated hours using the pre determined system, to say 45 chargeable hours (cribs an extra hour a day) he has covered the mechanic's wage in the extra time and a bit of extra % on the parts so that part of the overheads becomes irrelevant.
    He's left with a mechanic earning him $4400 a week plus say another $500 minimum on parts profit. If it's a full on dealership, the sales covers the majority of overheads anyway, so he's not doing too bad really is he? Of course, if he's working out of a grotty hole in the wall and is a man & a boy operation and paying almost nothing in rent, he still isn't doing all that bad.
    Multiply allthis by 52 and it's little wonder they have gold fillings in heir teeth, but as we've seen; there's still those that think it's justified!!


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    Hey BDG...it looks like you have really hit a raw nerve here.

    I've always done my own work out of necessity, as I've never had the money to pay a mechanic to do something I can do myself.
    A couple of weeks ago I bought some parts for my car, and fitted them myself. There was one specialised part of the job I could not do myself , so a "specialist " did that for me. That's fair enough...his services cost me $75.00 and I'm more than happy.
    The total job cost me about $130.00 including parts.
    The manager of the business where I work had the SAME job done on his car at the car dealer in the week before , and he showed me the total bill....$930.00 !!!
    He was telling me that this was a bill his wife was not going to ever see, or find out about!!
    You can see why...he wasted $800.00!!!!!!!
    I will never understand how workshops justify those incredible prices.
    When I had my first car I soon discovered how highly paid the local mechanic was, and how much it cost me to go there....and NEVER again....
    I'm very fortunate that a close personal friend of mine is an honest and trustworthy MECHANIC...who I occasionally call on if need be....
    Dealers.....forget it.
    I can't afford them...and I don't trust them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDG
    Really what do you the consumer out there expect to pay for hard learnt skills. If everything is so easy to do, as you have all pointed out, then please do all your own repairs & see how many vehicles still pass roadworthy checks .I suspect not very many. CHEERS & COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON TO ALL.

    Mechanical workshops tend to pay their mechanics shitty wages, yet manage to charge like wounded bulls. We aren't paying for skills, basically we are paying a third party to employ the skilled person at lowish wages so that maximum profit can be generated.

    It's no wonder there is a looming shortage of apprentices in the automotive area given the flattish career structure and pretty ordinary money.

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    Fascinating, can't but agree with most of the comments.
    I don't mind paying $80.- /per hour as long as it is not bullshit advice as i've had on a number of occasions.
    AF is great for sorting bullshit.
    My brother was an Alfa/Renault mechanic in Vienna years ago. For their 40 hour week they were expextet to book 50 hours plus. Him being a fair/ethical guy could not live with this. Obviously, shortcuts were nescessary to achieve this.
    I've began from scratch with my Datsun 2000 sports. The dealer mechanic f*** up twice. I figured i can do as well for a lot less. As it turned out, after buying manuals etc. i did do a lot better.
    BTW i saw an article on 'mechanics' in the melbourne age a few weeks ago and it said that one can earn $60,000 after afew years. Bullshit!
    Well, they shoud be the way dealers charge - for a competent operator.
    I know apprentices doing a service on a Lexus and the boss charges full rates.
    Suppose thats the way it is - caveat emtor

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    Jo, don't forget to p, when you emtor, and zip and wipe the seat and put it down, bo.

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    We aren't paying for skills, basically we are paying a third party to employ the skilled person at lowish wages so that maximum profit can be generated.
    Ahh yes - its called 'outsourcing'

    It's no wonder there is a looming shortage of apprentices in the automotive area given the flattish career structure and pretty ordinary money.
    Actually there has been a decline in apprenticeships across all industries. Trades seem to be considered difficult, messy and poorly paying, whereas professions like I.T. are seen as 'cool', and better paying, with better prospects into higher-paying careers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo
    Fascinating, can't but agree with most of the comments.
    I don't mind paying $80.- /per hour as long as it is not bullshit advice as i've had on a number of occasions.
    AF is great for sorting bullshit.
    My brother was an Alfa/Renault mechanic in Vienna years ago. For their 40 hour week they were expextet to book 50 hours plus. Him being a fair/ethical guy could not live with this. Obviously, shortcuts were nescessary to achieve this.

    I know apprentices doing a service on a Lexus and the boss charges full rates.
    Suppose thats the way it is - caveat emtor
    It's usually a strange complicated system they work to; job times in some cases seem to be arrived at by using an F-1 Team as the yardstick (ie) 4 wheels and a half tank of gas in 7.3 seconds, that's what they reckon it takes, whilst other jobs you'd think would be a half hour being allowed 2 1/2 hours for but usually take about half that time.
    A well organised workshop will have the "gun" mechanic doing all the jobs that can be done faster than is allwed for whilst the apprentice or some rough head they want to see leave anyway, gets the hour long job they get paid 15 or 30 minutes for and the quicker guy usually gets the apprentice to go bring in the next "quickie" he's got lined up and whilst junior is out doing this, spends 5 minutes doing a couple of things on the kids job thereby making it that bit faster than it would have been. That way, the apprentice's wages are charged out at the actual time he spent and in reality at his normal charge out rate but shown on the jobsheet as the predetermined amount of time at the charge out rate normally applied to a tradesman.
    When the jobs normally handled by apprentices runs out, then the other jobs are done by them and usually checked by the senior mechanic and then charged out at full rates, so that way, they win all round.
    There are times they fall behind the 8 ball, but by and large they have it worked so they come out in front; so much for hard learned skills; hard learned on how to wangle the system.


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    I'm not going to defend any mechanic...but I will say, working in the industry long ago. More times then often, you were forced to do a bodge job cause the work shop manager is on your case to get the job done quick.

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    This guy charging $30/hr and not making a full recovery is clearly atypical. I wonder how long he will hold that rate? Perhaps a real 'find'. Should give him a 'sticky' thread.

    Remember that many people are prepared to pay for good service and convenience. There are plenty of owners that are unable, unwilling or simply not interested in doing any work themselves. All they want is the car fixed and back on the road - drop off in the morning and collect the same day. To give that kind of turnaround, a workshop would also need to hold plenty of spares and increasingly special tools (e.g. Proxia diagnostics for recent Citroens) so you have to factor in a cost recovery there. Do you expect a loan car, a dealer service stamp and a wash too? I'm not defending the fee, but in George's example, how much extra time and running around did it take to make the saving over the Commodore owner? Plenty of people would prefer to spend that time doing other things. The parts list wasn't quite the same either.

    While poor and even dishonest service practices deserve to be exposed, many city car owners readily accept about $90/hr as the going rate and choose to spend their time more profitably or pleasurably if they can. For comparison ... called a plumber or electrician recently? I'd object to paying an apprentice that kind of money though and I'd certainly be wary of some places - go by reputation.

    Also, don't forget that if you own a 20 year old car that has developed a particular problem, the mechanic (err sorry 'technician' I think) that you expect to fix it is likely to find a number of other bits connected to the 'problem' are about to fail too. Its not always an easy fix. If it was, then nobody would ask the questions they do on this forum. If you have the time and ability to solve it yourself, then maybe that's a fun exercise, but if not, then you have to be prepared to pay somebody else a fair fee for use of their time, tools and knowledge. If they are too costly or just no good don't go there - hopefully 'market' forces should sort them out in time! Will pigs ever fly?

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