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    Anyone seen the 306 in the latest Rallysport News that a guy is doing the UK rally championship in a 306 with a mid-mounted cosworth V6, looks like sex on wheels! I want one!

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    This would be the beast! Heap's of photos at
    http://www.rallygallery.com/
    It looks like the guy knows how to drive it too .
    I think I know a last minuite gift someone could give me .
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    Quote Originally Posted by WAUTY205
    This would be the beast! Heap's of photos at
    http://www.rallygallery.com/
    It looks like the guy knows how to drive it too .
    I think I know a last minuite gift someone could give me .
    That's the one!
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    All i have to say is that is horny
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    thats one tough looking pug

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    HARDKORE......

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    it moved

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    holy-snappin-duck-sh!t...

    thats one agro looking pug!

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    Looks absloutely brilliant!

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    It'd want to be better than the glorified hairdresser's cars that Peugeot entered in this year's WRC.

    Now who won this year? Let me think...

    That's right, CitroŽn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO
    It'd want to be better than the glorified hairdresser's cars that Peugeot entered in this year's WRC.

    Now who won this year? Let me think...

    That's right, CitroŽn.
    Which is based on a certain psa car, which is basically a rebadged..?... now let me think. Its funny how well you can do with good genes to beging with. Why dosn't the current WRC champion have LHM blood lines?
    Back to the topic >> tuff PUG that 306, its sponsored by Demon Tweeks who are notorious for some of their pug projects. - Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHRI'S16
    Why dosn't the current WRC champion have LHM blood lines?
    Funny you mentioned that as the Xsara DOES run a hydraulic fore-aft anti-pitch coupling... cop that !

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    Quote Originally Posted by XsaraVTS
    Funny you mentioned that as the Xsara DOES run a hydraulic fore-aft anti-pitch coupling... cop that !
    in the WRC race car???..... if it does ill cop it, but just remind me on what car the Xsara is based on again?.... bu then again "that" car is based on something else, yes.... or no. - Chris

    ps.. is this getting of topic now.... or will I have to drag it on for a bit more AF stylee..
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    "Citroen approached us to do a joint development program for our 'Reversible Function Stabiliser' [RFS] System. We then entered into a secret intensive development and testing program with Citroen," he said.

    "The system was first tested, unannounced, in two events during the 2002 season. The performance benefits were measurable. So much so that Citroen adopted the Kinetic RFS as standard fit for all three cars for all 2003 WRC events.

    "The function of the system is quite simple. The roll bar is split into two halves and the 'left-right' halves are then reconnected using a small hydraulic cylinder. The front bar cylinder is then connected to the rear bar cylinder using two small hydraulic lines.

    "What this achieves is what we at Kinetic call 'real time passive mode decoupling'. In simple terms it means that when, say, the right front wheel hits a bump in, say, a left hand corner, the 'bump force' is distributed throughout the other 4 wheels. However, the original 'roll force' is not reduced, only the bump force" Munday said.

    "This means that we can make the roll stiffness of the Xsara much stiffer and yet still have extremely good rough surface traction. On tarmac this becomes critical due to the sensitivity of the tyre friction compared to tyre vertical load. On gravel it is also critical because it means that we can run a stiff car that does not go unstable in very rough events, such as Turkey."

    van Kann added: "If you observe the Xsaras carefully, you can see that they seem to behave more like a 'hover craft' than the other conventional rally cars. This was particularly evident in Turkey, which was an incredibly rough event. In fact Citroen was the only team not to suffer any suspension failure during the entire event."

    The RFS is one of many systems that Kinetic considers will give motor sport teams a competitive edge. Citroen have exclusive rights to RFS for the WRC and Kinetic is in discussions with Citroen to jointly develop the newer Kinetic systems.

    "The prohibition of active systems by FIA has increased interest in our fully passive technology. Our systems have no wires, no computers, no pumps and valves and consume no power. We do not need to develop sophisticated algorithms, nor do our systems have any response time delay - they operate instantaneously," said Munday [Kinetic MotorSport's Chief Engineer]


    that is part one of cop-it-sweet, part 2 is the Citroen Xsara is based on the Peugeot 306 chassis which in turn was derived from the Citroen ZX?

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    yeah, that 306 looks like will gollop's.

    i first saw a photo of it quite a few years back in a pccv issue.

    he was then, terrorising other brits in some national rallycross championship and winning consecutive titles.

    you can download clips of him and that machine going flatstick, on kazaa.

    its a frign wrecking ball.
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    pugjet what do you have to search under to find it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHRI'S16
    Which is based on a certain psa car, which is basically a rebadged..?... now let me think. Its funny how well you can do with good genes to beging with.
    I think the Xsara was based on the 306...which is just the perfect size for rallying

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    Quote Originally Posted by XsaraVTS


    that is part one of cop-it-sweet, part 2 is the Citroen Xsara is based on the Peugeot 306 chassis which in turn was derived from the Citroen ZX?
    ....ta daaa!!.... that what i was waiting for. - Chris
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    Same guy (Andy Burton) also built an Alfasud Sprint Coupe with a mid-mounted Ferrari V6. That was serious stuff too. If you're going to the UK try to get out and see a rally in the BTRDA championship where this runs, especially the Woodpecker - usually last weekend in Aug or 1st in Sep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugjet

    you can download clips of him and that machine going flatstick, on kazaa.

    its a frign wrecking ball.
    i got the clip off limewire the other day, v-good! sounds awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XsaraVTS
    "Citroen approached us to do a joint development program for our 'Reversible Function Stabiliser' [RFS] System. We then entered into a secret intensive development and testing program with Citroen," he said.

    "The system was first tested, unannounced, in two events during the 2002 season. The performance benefits were measurable. So much so that Citroen adopted the Kinetic RFS as standard fit for all three cars for all 2003 WRC events.

    "The function of the system is quite simple. The roll bar is split into two halves and the 'left-right' halves are then reconnected using a small hydraulic cylinder. The front bar cylinder is then connected to the rear bar cylinder using two small hydraulic lines.

    "What this achieves is what we at Kinetic call 'real time passive mode decoupling'. In simple terms it means that when, say, the right front wheel hits a bump in, say, a left hand corner, the 'bump force' is distributed throughout the other 4 wheels. However, the original 'roll force' is not reduced, only the bump force" Munday said.

    "This means that we can make the roll stiffness of the Xsara much stiffer and yet still have extremely good rough surface traction. On tarmac this becomes critical due to the sensitivity of the tyre friction compared to tyre vertical load. On gravel it is also critical because it means that we can run a stiff car that does not go unstable in very rough events, such as Turkey."

    van Kann added: "If you observe the Xsaras carefully, you can see that they seem to behave more like a 'hover craft' than the other conventional rally cars. This was particularly evident in Turkey, which was an incredibly rough event. In fact Citroen was the only team not to suffer any suspension failure during the entire event."

    The RFS is one of many systems that Kinetic considers will give motor sport teams a competitive edge. Citroen have exclusive rights to RFS for the WRC and Kinetic is in discussions with Citroen to jointly develop the newer Kinetic systems.

    "The prohibition of active systems by FIA has increased interest in our fully passive technology. Our systems have no wires, no computers, no pumps and valves and consume no power. We do not need to develop sophisticated algorithms, nor do our systems have any response time delay - they operate instantaneously," said Munday [Kinetic MotorSport's Chief Engineer]


    that is part one of cop-it-sweet, part 2 is the Citroen Xsara is based on the Peugeot 306 chassis which in turn was derived from the Citroen ZX?
    Ahem..[polishes fingernails on lapels.] The Kinetic System was designed and developed here in Western Australia I believe? [Pause here to take in looks of disbelief from "Wise Men of the East"].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest
    The Kinetic System was designed and developed here in Western Australia I believe? [Pause here to take in looks of disbelief from "Wise Men of the East"].
    By Chris Heyring, who immigrated to WA from Egypt in 1974. Dare I say, A Wise Man from the Middle East? :

    intresting they don't allow active suspenison systems in WRC; I wonder why not?? I guess if they had, then Citroen would have just put Activa or similar in their car and... ummm... won anyway?
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    Re the Burton special:
    I remember reading about that thing in the now defunct CCC magazine a couple, erm make that a few, years ago. Iirc it used the Cosworth V6 out of a Scorpio matched to the drive train of an Escort/Saphire 4x4 cosworth. The engine was pretty much under the windscreen, hence being classed as mid engine! I think it was black at 1 stage. A very wild, and effective, little weapon.
    Re Kinetic system:
    Indeed Kinetic is/was WA based. I think they started out doing long travel 4x4 suspension in the mid 1990's on a Hilux dual cab. I remember reading a number of articles in the various 4x4 mags here then nothing until last year when Ralliart signed up to use the system in the Pajero Evolution II Rally Raid for the Dakar.
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