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    Prompted by Graham Lewis' post this morning:

    Originally posted by Graham Lewis
    My daily driver, if the weathers resonable is a 504 powered clubman, 76kW at the wheels and weighing in at 640 kg, fairly conventional sort of thing with wishbone front end, Escort rear axle and a Toyota t50 gear box.
    I have another under construction with IRS and inboard brakes (modified 504 rear discs) the front has 205 stub shafts and bearings mounted in a fabricated upright with 205 brakes and inboard suspension, haven't decided on an engine as yet, it is still a long way from completion.
    How about we log all those cars owned or built by members along these lines?

    Whether they be Clubman style or GT-type... but not merely modified production cars.

    Cars built up from a chassis... Of course it's essential that a large percentage of the mechanicals be French... let's say that's the basis of this thread.

    My Jolus, for instance, is a copy of a Lotus 7, but with everything except the master cylinder and clutch actuation from an early 203. Front crossmember bolts into the spaceframe chassis, the torque tube has been shortened.

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    I've fitted 403 brakes and a 403 engine, along with tandem master cylinder from an Austin 1800. It's never been finished, but it was only started in 1963 and I've only had it since 1977.

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    Thanks for kicking this one off Ray.
    Can I refer interested AF members to the post, PRV6 Dyno Shootouts in Technical where certain members took over with stuff on Peugeot engined racing cars in Aus. Becoming the genesis of this thread.

    While not being a members car, Bob Pinkerton's Peugeot mono is well under way. Bob has graciously given me the OK to furnish progress reports,answer questions and gladly receive any advice from those who've been there.

    Another well known PCCof WA member who prefers to remain anon has been planning a Peugeot engined sports special, [not another Lotus 7 rep!].
    Using a 2 litre engine and gearbox running through a shortened tube to a 504 hypoid diff. The alloy axle tubes have been stripped of all surplus casting
    and I think they have been shortened to allow the axles to fully enter the diff side gears. He laid awake for days worrying about this point.
    He has also been frustrated by advice re road registering when complete.
    He knows that any welding has to be certificated but he's also been told that the chassis will have to be tested for "lozenging". That would eliminate all the T series MG's etc if it was part of a RWC ! High mounted stop lights and column mounted light and ind switches are also among the many requirements.
    Hopefully we may see it completed. The gestation period, so far, has not been quite as lengthy as the Jolus!

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    Great thread topic!

    Since a picture is worth a thousand words - if a link or an attachment can be included that would be most appreciated.

    I'd love to see these cars!

    Probably bad for me though as the desire to built my own version will only get stronger when seeing other cars...

    If I can convince a friend to set up his Super 7 chassis jigs and start making another batch - I'm convinced a PRV V6 Super 7 would be an awesome car! BA10/5 and custom IRS... would make it a hell of a road / competition car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest
    Thanks for kicking this one off Ray.
    Can I refer interested AF members to the post, PRV6 Dyno Shootouts in Technical where certain members took over with stuff on Peugeot engined racing cars in Aus. Becoming the genesis of this thread.

    While not being a members car, Bob Pinkerton's Peugeot mono is well under way. Bob has graciously given me the OK to furnish progress reports,answer questions and gladly receive any advice from those who've been there.

    Another well known PCCof WA member who prefers to remain anon has been planning a Peugeot engined sports special, [not another Lotus 7 rep!].
    Using a 2 litre engine and gearbox running through a shortened tube to a 504 hypoid diff. The alloy axle tubes have been stripped of all surplus casting
    and I think they have been shortened to allow the axles to fully enter the diff side gears. He laid awake for days worrying about this point.
    He has also been frustrated by advice re road registering when complete.
    He knows that any welding has to be certificated but he's also been told that the chassis will have to be tested for "lozenging". That would eliminate all the T series MG's etc if it was part of a RWC ! High mounted stop lights and column mounted light and ind switches are also among the many requirements.
    Hopefully we may see it completed. The gestation period, so far, has not been quite as lengthy as the Jolus!
    Is this the car you have mentioned? I believe this car here had something to do with Bob Pinkerton at one stage?
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    the problem with the 7's is that now you have to comply with adr's and have like current model engines so you can no longer do a 504 powered etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zykyra
    Is this the car you have mentioned? I believe this car here had something to do with Bob Pinkerton at one stage?
    The car pictured was the Higgs Peugeot Special built and raced by Wally Higgs in the '60's. Peugeot engined, VW gearbox with a Fiat 500 transverse leaf front suspension and skinny Topolino wheels. Among its many credits was a !2.7 second standing quarter. He later built a Peugeot engined enclosed body sports also with a good competition record. Brian Peet of Perth is the current owner. Not raced or displayed unfortunately.
    The Higgs Special came into the hands of Doug Whitehead who restored it and ran it in a few round the houses events. The current owner is Trevor Eastwood also of Perth

    Bob Pinkerton wasn't involved with this car, he was busy rebuilding the ex Jack Nelson "White Mouse" Ford 10 supercharged prewar racing car and has recently been assisting Charlie Mitchell with his TS GM engined mono.
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    whatever happened to the linx (i think it was) peugeot

    last time i saw it it was in unique cars about 10-15years ago

    from memory it was 403 powered and i think an MG g/box but i can't be sure but i do know it was pug powered

    it has to be in someones shed somewhere
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    Does anyone out there have anymore details on the KM 200 SIMCA engined sports car featured in the Sept. Australian Classic Car letters page.
    Other than some mechanical details mentioned can any AF's provide more?

    Details / pictures of the above and any other SIMCA based specials would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    whatever happened to the linx (i think it was) peugeot

    last time i saw it it was in unique cars about 10-15years ago

    from memory it was 403 powered and i think an MG g/box but i can't be sure but i do know it was pug powered

    it has to be in someones shed somewhere
    Lynx Peugeot built by Bob Holden and driven to fame by Colin Bond.
    I'm amazed the wherabouts was known of only 15 years ago, I thought it had dissapeared without trace in the early 60's.
    It had a supercharged 3 bearing 404 motor (around 130 HP) and held the record on every Hillclimb Track in NSW in the early 1960s. It was mid engined so not an MG gearbox, probably more likely a Hewland.
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    The Lynx Peugeot used a Porsche gearbox (transaxle). Bruce McLaren also had a hand in developing the car by suggesting changes after driving it for a few laps at Sandown during practice for a Tasman Series race, the engine was 1622cc supercharged to 12 psi. The Lynx was clocked at 152.54 MPH at Bathurst in 1965 and achieved higher speeds at the following two Easter meetings.


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    I picked up a book at a book sale a few weeks ago, it has a chapter on Colin Bond in his early days. Here is a segment on his time with the Lynx-Pug.

    "It was during the 1964 Ampol that I talked to Bob Holden and he told me his blown Lynx-Peugeot was for sale. I couldn't afford it but my brother lent me some money and Bob Riley and I did all the work. The first race was on December 26 1964, at Hume Weir when I finished third behind David Walker and Barry Collerson with a dickey clutch."

    "That was an easy car to drive. I had 27 starts for 21 wins and held every hillclimb record in NSW-Silverdale, Tamworth, Grafton, Amaroo, Newcastle, Wollongong, and Bathurst. The Lynx made me the first member of the under 35 second club at Silverdale, won the NSW Hillclimb title in 1965-66-67, and came second in the Australian championships in 1965 and 1966. It held 1600cc class records on most circuits and it was only Easter , 1971, when Leo Geoghegan knocked off my Bathurst record."

    "At Bathurst the Lynx was doing 126mph down the hill-that was the fastest I had been up to then"

    "I had the car for three and a half years and was rallying all the time. In those days it was nothing to practice on the Saturday for a race meeting, dash off to a rally Saturday night and race Sunday.

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    The Loter Peugeot was built in the late 50's early 60's, it was a Lotus 11 copy with a split Ford 10 front axle and BMC A series rear axle and P type MG gearbox and at first a 203 engine later upgraded to a 403 with twin SU's, it was later renamed the Mistral Peugeot, it's first competitive outing was at the Mt Martha hillclimb, this car was advertised in the Age a few years ago for $4500 it was in a sad state.

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    Simon, I wonder which top speed is correct for the Lynx, my information comes from an article in Cars and Drivers magazine.

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    i remember the Mistral coming up for sale as it was forsale a few years before that as well

    i also remember the linx as i had dreams of getting the car and putting it in storage for a rainy day to get it back up to scratch

    last i heard the linx was in victoria somewhere

    i was actually talking to my old man about it the other day and he remembers the car well and saw it on a few occasions

    he can remember a few cars around that era that were made and raced and he was also a co-pilot in the old trials a few times as well whci are now just called rallies

    not trials like the redex trials but trials that were run by the old thornliegh car club and the like

    he tells a story of sitting in a 203 with a speedo in the dash in front of him on the passenger side bouncing on the stops at 100mph and how he felt safe with the driver at the time but wasn't real sure of the 203 brakes that were on the car as they took a while to stop a 203 from that speed

    mind you it was 403 powered as a standard 203 engine would never push a 203 to that speed

    the driver at the time was jack nelson who was pretty heavy into pugs from about 58 onwards till he passed away
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    Quote Originally Posted by G Lewis
    Simon, I wonder which top speed is correct for the Lynx, my information comes from an article in Cars and Drivers magazine.

    Graham Lewis
    I've no idea, perhaps both are right. Your speed possibly being a later evolution. The book I quoted from was Motor Racing The Australian Way, first published in 1972.

    Whilst looking for something else I turned up a few other Pug engined open wheelers. From SCW December 1965.

    From WA: Bill McIntosh Peugeot Special 1298cc motor, four Amals, VW gearbox swing axles. Dave Sullivan DSM Type A 1698cc Peugeot motor, VW gearbox, swing axles.

    Hilton McGee Peugeot Special 1498cc, four Amals VW gearbox, swing axles. Bob McDowell Peugeot Special 1430cc, SU carbs, VW gearbox with swing axles.

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    Starting to get quite a list. Ivan Washington owned the Bacchus Peugeot for a while, it features in Great Australian Sports Cars and Specials by Mike McCarthy, that car is still in Geelong as far as I know.
    Ivan also built another clubman along the same lines as the Bacchus but powered by a Renault 16 engine, last heard of in Melbourne outer Eastern suburbs .
    John Brotheridge owned the Ventoux Special which was based on 750 Renault mechanicals, he knows where it is, but not telling.
    I recall a very successful speedway midget, driven,I think, by Bill Wigzell (spelling) which had a supercharged Pug engine, I heard it in full flight once, glorious noise.

    Graham Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Lewis
    Starting to get quite a list. Ivan Washington owned the Bacchus Peugeot for a while, it features in Great Australian Sports Cars and Specials by Mike McCarthy, that car is still in Geelong as far as I know.
    Ivan also built another clubman along the same lines as the Bacchus but powered by a Renault 16 engine, last heard of in Melbourne outer Eastern suburbs .
    John Brotheridge owned the Ventoux Special which was based on 750 Renault mechanicals, he knows where it is, but not telling.
    I recall a very successful speedway midget, driven,I think, by Bill Wigzell (spelling) which had a supercharged Pug engine, I heard it in full flight once, glorious noise.

    Graham Lewis
    Yes, I saw the Wigzell speedcar at Redline Raceway, Ballarat in 1974.
    Won every race. I guess it was a 404 engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Prompted by Graham Lewis' post this morning:



    Cars built up from a chassis... Of course it's essential that a large percentage of the mechanicals be French... let's say that's the basis of this thread.

    My Jolus, for instance, is a copy of a Lotus 7, but with everything except the master cylinder and clutch actuation from an early 203. Front crossmember bolts into the spaceframe chassis, the torque tube has been shortened.

    I've fitted 403 brakes and a 403 engine, along with tandem master cylinder from an Austin 1800. It's never been finished, but it was only started in 1963 and I've only had it since 1977.
    I think I beat you by a whisker for time Ray, but you win hands down for content.

    My Bolwell Mk.7 was started in 1970, I've had it since 1974 and it's still not finished. It has a 403 handbrake cable and battery tray!

    Warwick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Prompted by Graham Lewis' post this morning:



    How about we log all those cars owned or built by members along these lines?

    Whether they be Clubman style or GT-type... but not merely modified production cars.

    Cars built up from a chassis... Of course it's essential that a large percentage of the mechanicals be French... let's say that's the basis of this thread.

    My Jolus, for instance, is a copy of a Lotus 7, but with everything except the master cylinder and clutch actuation from an early 203. Front crossmember bolts into the spaceframe chassis, the torque tube has been shortened.

    I've fitted 403 brakes and a 403 engine, along with tandem master cylinder from an Austin 1800. It's never been finished, but it was only started in 1963 and I've only had it since 1977.


    Crickey Ray, the 203 crossmember must account for half the total weight of the clubman !

    I know the Elfin type 7 only weights 650kg all up.

    The 203 crossmember would certainly weigh quyite a bit, good iron in those days !!

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    Even though i am very much a RENAULT lover, driver , owner & follower [f 1 ] ,my favourite car i own ,is the BDG COSWORTH FORD powered mk 1 escort i own , built by stillwell ford [melbourne ] & DRIVEN BY M STILLWELL terrorising a lot of larger cars around the race circuits of the 1970/s. CHEERS.

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