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    G'day Guys,

    Been having a fiddle with the RCCV website again and need some feedback

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    namely in relation to download speed, page centering (mozilla users in particular) and overall feed back.

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    Thanks Guys...

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    All seems in order!

    Download speeds were good with no major delays. I'm on dial up and all of the images were loaded within a few seconds.

    The site looks great! Nice and clean looking site and easy to navigate... Nothing worse that a busy or cluttered site.

    Looking forward to watching further progress!
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    Thanks for that seesully,

    I was trying to create a site that featured a large image in the background but still looked 'clean' but have given up and gone the KISS approach.

    For some reason frames (yeah oudated I know) don't self center in Mozilla and a bit of rather crude code was needed to fix the problem.

    The whole site should be updated in the next week or so...

    Thanks for the feeback...

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    Web-site looks great, designed well, colour cheme chosen well
    Just one design aspect in picked up on though, the top menu bar has 11 items, in no logical order or grouping. Any more than about 7 confuses A LOT of people. I suggest just grouping them logically and putting some sort of space between the groups.
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    Looks good!

    I only have 2 points of criticism, (hopefully constructive) and that is that;

    1. On the front page, yellow on yellow is very difficult to read, to the point of eyestrain (and I use a TFT).

    2. The frames thing.. sure if you cant avoid it you cant avoid it.. but tables and "open in new window" would be preferable. Also there are no "alternative text" tags on any of the pictures. Not sure if this is a later part of the construction process.

    I am personally a bit anal about things like this, as I work for a blind organisation specialising in accessible web pages, and it should be viewable as plain text without any loss of information. Of course I understand this may be better suited to adding after your construction process is completed.

    PS. you are quite welcome to use some, or all of the photos I took from the renault roundup. I noticed some of those photos are quite poor quality.

    If you need any help, or manpower to finish the site, let me know.. I would be happy to help in any way I can. I have quite a bit of experience in web design / graphic manipulation, and development in such things as php and perl.
    Not sure what the webspace supports.

    I do really like the new layout!

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    Looks heaps better, nice work. The yellow on yellow type looked fine on my screen, nice kinda subtle design feature. But some people with badly calibrated screens may not be able to read it. Just inrease the contrast a bit if you want to make sure. I thought the Nav was fine. Really has a modern renault feel

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    Looks fine on Mozilla... quick download, centres okay.

    You seem to have sharpened up the logos too...

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    Looks pretty good in FireFox - although I would agree that Yellow on Yellow is not that good - regardless of monitor calibration opinions

    The magazine link caused a frame with the online edition of Time Magazine to load.

    The Contacts link caused a frame with www.1800contacts.com to load.

    I wasn't impressed with either of these things
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    Hi again
    If you want to check accessibility once the site is completed or during development try these sites:
    Bobby (like the british cops so watch out ), mostly for people with disabilities.
    http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp
    and VisCheck, also available as a photoshop plug-in. This is for colour-blindness checking for colour schemes - not likely to be a problem with your chosen scheme though: http://www.vischeck.com/index.php
    (This may not work with frames, but it should be easy to get around)

    Also, personally, i hate frames (my uni lecturers threatened to come knocking on my door if they ever found out that I used them ). Unless they are set up properly, they can cause all sorts of havoc when trying to print, when using mouse scroll wheels, keyboard/mouse navigation buttons etc. And of course there is a lot of difference in appearance depending on the browser your audience are using.
    Final point - I do like the two yellows, but i would advise using something with a bit more contrast - maybe just a darker yellow. Colours this similar are very hard to tell apart on a screen with low contrast/bad crt/or simply just and old, tired monitor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206
    The magazine link caused a frame with the online edition of Time Magazine to load.

    The Contacts link caused a frame with www.1800contacts.com to load.
    These are what you get from an "I feel lucky" search which happens because the URLs for magazine and contacts aren't entered correctly.
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    Default Renault Page

    It looks good to me. Does one have to be a member to go into the galleries and things? Print on a similar coloured background always get me though.
    In the history section it is stated that Renault have come back to Australia, I didn't realise that they had not been sending cars there: I have been out of Australia a few years now though.

    In Sweden, Renault cars are sold and serviced etc by Volvo dealers and have been for about 15 years, does Volvo have anything at all to do with Renaults in Oz? I have mentioned this earlier in a thread but some Volvo car dealers here sell Land Rovers, Renaults, Volvos and possibly another Ford product.

    I still have some Renault 4 back lights and small things from mine. It was a 74 modell, not the really first ones. I have even renault 5 bits, but it is all too far to send.
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    No, Renault in Australia is done through Nissan (last time I heard), and they've been back here for 4-5 years now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206
    Looks pretty good in FireFox - although I would agree that Yellow on Yellow is not that good - regardless of monitor calibration opinions

    The magazine link caused a frame with the online edition of Time Magazine to load.

    The Contacts link caused a frame with www.1800contacts.com to load.

    I wasn't impressed with either of these things
    As they are not actually linked to anything yet that must be a browser thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivid
    Looks good!

    I only have 2 points of criticism, (hopefully constructive) and that is that;

    1. On the front page, yellow on yellow is very difficult to read, to the point of eyestrain (and I use a TFT).

    2. The frames thing.. sure if you cant avoid it you cant avoid it.. but tables and "open in new window" would be preferable. Also there are no "alternative text" tags on any of the pictures. Not sure if this is a later part of the construction process.

    I am personally a bit anal about things like this, as I work for a blind organisation specialising in accessible web pages, and it should be viewable as plain text without any loss of information. Of course I understand this may be better suited to adding after your construction process is completed.

    PS. you are quite welcome to use some, or all of the photos I took from the renault roundup. I noticed some of those photos are quite poor quality.

    If you need any help, or manpower to finish the site, let me know.. I would be happy to help in any way I can. I have quite a bit of experience in web design / graphic manipulation, and development in such things as php and perl.
    Not sure what the webspace supports.

    I do really like the new layout!

    David.
    The yellow on yellow was supposed to be fairly subtle, but perhaps it's a little too subtle on some monitors (I must admit it actually looks quite pronounced on mine )

    I have a rather limited 'learn as I've gone' knowledge of html and web design.

    I know how to get frames (although old tech) working OK but wouldn't know where to start with php and other aspects...

    I only have limited time to do the website as I also do the club mag so it has to be something fairly simple that I know how to fix.

    When I pass the mag on to someone else in a year or two, I'll have to sit down and lear a few things properly before doing something a little more hi tech...

    Thanks for the feed back, I'll change the colour contrast between the two yellows and see if it looks more obvious. I did want to keep it looking quite subtle and simple so I don't want to go too far the other way...

    As for the photos, I would love to use the shots you took as the photos I took were on a cheapy mini digital camera with VGA res and look crap.

    I tried getting on to the photo-site that you had the photos posted on but I think it's off line now...

    If I send you a disc could you perhaps burn me a copy?

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    Id be happy to burn them, for you.. the site is up now also.. ill pm you with a link to it now.. No need for a blank CD, a postage stamp would cost more.

    II think you have done a great job with the site, and it looks very professional.

    I guess re the yellow on yellow, its one of those things that can greatly vary from monitor to monitor. Maybe even a subtle outline, or emboss would do the trick.

    Something like PHP can help you greatly in the long run, as you can create dynamic pages, and then simply concentrate on the content.

    Again I would be happy to code up anything required on an "as needed" basis.

    Looks like you really have your work cut out for you!

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    There was a message saying you have exceeded your PM limit, so I emailed you instead.

    Although this is a sloppy and ugly job on the banner, maybe something like this would do it? Not quite as subtle tho. Maybe even a much lighter grey, or white?

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    Looks Good.

    I didnt have a problem with the yellow on yellow, i think its nice and subtle. Theres quite a few dead links toward the end of the nav bar and i would agree that the sheer number of navigation buttons could be a bit daunting.

    Other than that, it checks out on firefox (mozilla) netscape 4, ie pc and mac, opera, and ok in safari (mac).... which is much better than i can normally aceive!

    I would have to agree with the previous comment on alt text for your images, especially for images youre using as navigational buttons.

    nice work tho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    As they are not actually linked to anything yet that must be a browser thing...
    Sure is

    A much better idea, IMHO, is to have them linked to dummy pages with something simple like "coming soon" for example, instead of making someone with the "right" browser combination load an external site in the frame, like it does on mine.

    Even linking them to a page that doesn't exist (and therefore just getting a 404 or "this page doesn't exist" error) is better than being transported to a dodgy US online shop

    Just an idea.
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    Its a nice clean site. Well done.

    One little quirk.

    The 'sign guestbook" and "view guestbook" links look as if they are targetted at the header frame, rather than the body frame, and therefore the user losesaccess to the navigation links.

    Works well in Safari on a 1024 x 768 LCD screen .

    I'm not really big on yellow on yellow, grey on grey etc either as a general rule, although in this particular case its not too bad. Could cause problems for someone with ageing eyes or poor colour vision though. Its worth remembering that people using different systems may be using different gamma settings (the standard calibration on Macs and PCs is different, for example) and that this can sometimes add to such difficulties.

    But these are mere quibbles. Its a good job, Mister!

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    I must digress, my 1yo daughter loves to play with the buttons on my LCD, and although I had calibrated the monitor from various test patterns, they were way out when I checked.

    Can I suggest that for some peoples old monitors, or visual impairments, an ALT text for the image be essential.

    A good web design approach I have always maintained, aswell as KISS, has been to allow for the lowest common denominator... or atleast set your own lowest common denominator; such as screen resolution, and the ability to view a java rich site, effectively in "no java" also.



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    Yellow on yellow's not a problem, because I don't even get that far (unless the bulk of your site is momentarily offline). One very simple improvement I'd suggest, though, is a spellcheck on any text ... nice-looking Clio ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr bern
    Yellow on yellow's not a problem, because I don't even get that far (unless the bulk of your site is momentarily offline). One very simple improvement I'd suggest, though, is a spellcheck on any text ... nice-looking Clio ...
    Unless it was a server outage, then the site should be fairly operational.

    I am slowly ading the pages from the previous site and all should be complete in a few days.

    Then I will go through everything and check for layout and spelling errors.

    Let us know if you still can't view the site...

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    Well the RCCV site is pretty much finished now - www.renaultnet.org

    Thanks alot for the input of many people here at various stages

    I have completely changed the banner (just temporarily while I try and think of something better) but atleast shouldn't have any color contrast issues.

    I may yet increase the size of the base font as I think it might be a little small for some (looks okay on my screen so maybe if some of the older froggers could tell me if its okay...)

    All the links should now work with the exception of the magazine download link..

    I'm already thinking of how I can make it bigger and better, but I think I'll wait until I give up the magazine editors job before I embark on something a bit more high tech (I like the CCCV website and might look at a pre-fab site program like geeklog or something similar)

    Anyway, thanks alot everyone and vivid, PM me with the link to the Round-Up photos...

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    I feel like I'm missing something here? Why does the static logo exist in 9.5 cm and every thing else seems to exist in 5.5 cm + scroll. It's pissy, fussy,
    obscurant, lacks any form of perspective and is effectively anti informational.

    Perhaps a Home Page with index and give the information the space it warrants.

    Cheers ed ge

    So it's the frames, can't they be bigger!
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    I'm a Firefox user. I did something really sillly like shrunk my browser to be a quarter the screen size and watched the scroll bars magically appear on the bottom and the sides. I even had a scroll bar on the title block. Way cool

    I then made the browser back to original size. The scroll bar on the title block stayed there regardless of what size I now made the browser. The saddest part is that I could make the scroll bar of the framed piece disappear but still had the
    scroll bar for the title block.

    I find scroll bars really, really painful especially when we are only talking one line of text that needs to be scrolled.

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