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    that when you dont overtighten your sump plug, next time you go to pull it out, it requires a herculean effort to undo it. I have a theory, but would like to hear what others have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tasgill
    that when you dont overtighten your sump plug, next time you go to pull it out, it requires a herculean effort to undo it. I have a theory, but would like to hear what others have to say.

    Terry
    I drained th oil out of my gearbox, then went to undo the filler plug and (i was using a bolt sheared into a square instead of the proper sump plug socket) the bolt i used ripped it to shreds. Eventually i had to ring a friend to come round with the right tool and help me!
    I think i overtightened my gearbox plug last time i undid it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roo504
    I drained th oil out of my gearbox, then went to undo the filler plug and (i was using a bolt sheared into a square instead of the proper sump plug socket) the bolt i used ripped it to shreds. Eventually i had to ring a friend to come round with the right tool and help me!
    I think i overtightened my gearbox plug last time i undid it.

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    Another of the lessons of life. Advice I always gave to the apprenti who passed my way.
    Never remove a drain plug before removing the filler.
    More importantly, if the filler plug isn't removed it can give the mistaken impression that the diff/gearbox has been refilled. This can arise if two people are servicing the same car.
    Even more important to those French car diy's get hold of a proper drain/fill plug removal tool. These were available from Peugeot and Renault dealers way back then. [The Renault tool had an 8 point socket on one end that fitted the 404 brake adjusters.] Hazet and Snapon do an 8 and 10 mm socket for the job.
    For your god's sake bin that ground up allen key or bolt you've been using.

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    We had a lot of discussion on this topic a little while ago...

    I used a Mazda wheel bolt for a long time, but that's gone. Then I ground a socket extension to suit, but that was too soft. I've yet to grind down an allen key, though I have one I picked up for that specific purpose.

    But in the meantime, I got a good quality very short socket extension and linished it slowly (without getting it too hot) to size. Works so far...

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    Ray,

    I'm using the exact same thing, i think its a 10mm or 1/2" extension, just grinded back carefully... works a treat!

    Just not sure why the service department keep using a rattle gun to put the sump plug back in!!! ARGH!

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    Well, I've tried my damndest to help you blokes. Here's another tip for those who just will not be helped.
    Take samples of your engine, gearbox and diff drain and fill plugs down to your hydraulic supplies specialist. I can suggest Pirtek or EnZed but a mining hydraulics firm may be best.
    Show your samples to the man and ask him if he can duplicate them but with provision for allen key tightening etc. I have obtained these from Mining and Hydraulic Supplies at 11 Boulder Rd Malaga WA 6090. They are referred to as VS-M plugs. They can't unfortunately duplicate the magnetic drain plug
    The 280 E sump plugs changed to this type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    We had a lot of discussion on this topic a little while ago...

    I used a Mazda wheel bolt for a long time, but that's gone. Then I ground a socket extension to suit, but that was too soft. I've yet to grind down an allen key, though I have one I picked up for that specific purpose.

    But in the meantime, I got a good quality very short socket extension and linished it slowly (without getting it too hot) to size. Works so far...
    Ray,
    How long have you been playing around with Peugeots? And[x grammar]you are still shagging around with Dad 'n Daves tool kit.

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    oh, what is the point of doing a job with the correct tools, can also get the oil sampling done at most big truck repairers for the sydney siders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest
    Well, I've tried my damndest to help you blokes. Here's another tip for those who just will not be helped.
    Take samples of your engine, gearbox and diff drain and fill plugs down to your hydraulic supplies specialist. I can suggest Pirtek or EnZed but a mining hydraulics firm may be best.
    Show your samples to the man and ask him if he can duplicate them but with provision for allen key tightening etc. I have obtained these from Mining and Hydraulic Supplies at 11 Boulder Rd Malaga WA 6090. They are referred to as VS-M plugs. They can't unfortunately duplicate the magnetic drain plug
    The 280 E sump plugs changed to this type.

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    I agree with wildebeest.
    The amount of times I've tried to undo plugs on R12's and 504's that have been shagged by Dad n Daves tools are endless. It drives me insane because the plugs have been shagged out to the point that the original correct tool doesnt even work anymore. Memories of lying under a 12 with some vice grips shagging the plug out completely in an attempt to fix some australians laziness...

    Ray whats your address and I'll send you the correct tools!!!

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    I can't say for sure, but I don't think I have ever once damaged a sump plug that wasn't in bad shape before I got to it.

    Give me the good old days when the filler plug on the diff took the outside of the plug spanner to undo...

    That's how long I've been playing the Peugeot game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tasgill
    that when you dont overtighten your sump plug, next time you go to pull it out, it requires a herculean effort to undo it. I have a theory, but would like to hear what others have to say.

    Terry
    I worried about this happening for a long time, and then realised that I was putting a cold sump plug into a hot sump. I now screw the plug in by hand and let it heat up to the sump temperature before doing the final tighten. It has worked for me, but there may be some other reason for it.

    But if you do try it, please make sure you dont forget to tighten it, the phone rings while the plug is only hand tight, and its all over red rover.

    Any comments?
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    i'm quite happy with my 8mm snap-on tool for sump plugs

    not only does it do the sump plug but it also takes the bungs out to drain the coolant from the block in the 604 and it also does the bung find TDC on the engine

    of course it also does the diff as well and if it were manual it would also do the plugs in that

    then i have my fuller 35mm 3/4" drive socket for crankshaft nuts and rear axle nuts on the 604 and of course the front axle nuts on the 306 when and if i need to use it there

    nothing like having the right tool for the job

    i won't mention my piece of cardboard for angle torqueing though
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    Hi all,

    The required 8 mm socket (sump and gearbox) is available at Caravelle Imports for $8.00.

    Peter J.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    i'm quite happy with my 8mm snap-on tool for sump plugs

    not only does it do the sump plug but it also takes the bungs out to drain the coolant from the block in the 604 and it also does the bung find TDC on the engine

    of course it also does the diff as well and if it were manual it would also do the plugs in that

    then i have my fuller 35mm 3/4" drive socket for crankshaft nuts and rear axle nuts on the 604 and of course the front axle nuts on the 306 when and if i need to use it there

    nothing like having the right tool for the job

    i won't mention my piece of cardboard for angle torqueing though
    That's the way to do it. Can I wave my stick and turn your 35mm socket into a 36mm for your crank nut?
    The close proximity of the radiator when using a 36mm 3/4 socket on a Volvo V6 crank nut was impossible when turning the motor over to adj valve clearances. I welded an old 1/2 drive socket to the side of the 36mm making it less bulky when using a 1/2 drive bar. Later on I got hold of a 36mm ring spanner from a VW touring tool kit, heated and bent it into a dog leg. Perfect
    for 504's too.
    I like your recyclable angle gauge. How do you retain it while using? The method preferred by Poms is to use "some knicker elastic from our Val's old drawers".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest
    That's the way to do it. Can I wave my stick and turn your 35mm socket into a 36mm for your crank nut?
    The close proximity of the radiator when using a 36mm 3/4 socket on a Volvo V6 crank nut was impossible when turning the motor over to adj valve clearances. I welded an old 1/2 drive socket to the side of the 36mm making it less bulky when using a 1/2 drive bar. Later on I got hold of a 36mm ring spanner from a VW touring tool kit, heated and bent it into a dog leg. Perfect
    for 504's too.
    I like your recyclable angle gauge. How do you retain it while using? The method preferred by Poms is to use "some knicker elastic from our Val's old drawers".

    i have a 36mm as well

    i have an extra hand holding the guage while i do the work

    i have a piece of wire hose clamped onto the socket as a pointer for the guage
    3 x '78 604 SL

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    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    ...and you didn't mention that we stretched my home made axle/crankshaft nut socket trying to undo your axles!

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    "Dad 'n Dave" have entered the room!

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    I made up that socket over twenty years ago and it's never failed me until his overtightened axle nuts got to it...

    Steve Dixon is probably still using the one I made for him at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    I made up that socket over twenty years ago and it's never failed me until his overtightened axle nuts got to it...

    Steve Dixon is probably still using the one I made for him at the same time.

    not my fault they were tight

    i had never had them off the car

    do people still go to Steve to get work done on their cars ?
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Yeah, I know you hadn't had them off... you were waiting on my arrival with the socket!

    I haven't seen Steve in maybe fifteen years or so. No idea what he's up to.

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    Could someone please define the tool required here? My Haynes manual says 8mm SQUARE, does that sound right? Just plain square?
    Do the proper tools have a small taper to fit tighter, or just plain old parallel square drive?
    I just had a look for my old sump plug tool - you know those ones with 5 different fittings at each end - fortunately it seems to be lost - it is probably the ugliest tool I have ever owned (you'll remember them, Ray!).
    I am quite happy to buy the right tool of good quality.
    Being an ex-mech you'll note I am too lazy to jack it up and pull covers off just to measure the sump plug, and I need to do the first service soon.
    It is a current Scenic 2 litre petrol.
    Thanks.

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    it is a plain 8mm square

    nothing fancy

    i bought one from Snap-on but others have bought the pug ones and others from supercheap

    the one i have is a 3/8 drive

    much easier than making one up and have it break off and get stuck in the plug
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    I carefully ground down a cheap 3/8" drive 10cm extension bar to make mine, on the bench grinder. It's perfect for the job.


    2003 PEUGEOT 206 GTi

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    Originally posted by Stuey
    I carefully ground down a cheap 3/8" drive 10cm extension bar to make mine, on the bench grinder. It's perfect for the job.
    You saw the note the 'rambo put about breaking off and getting stuck in the plug?

    He spoke from my experience (albeit at his place! Again!) with exactly what you describe.

    We didn't put the diff oil in through the breather hole for nothing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    You saw the note the 'rambo put about breaking off and getting stuck in the plug?

    He spoke from my experience (albeit at his place! Again!) with exactly what you describe.

    We didn't put the diff oil in through the breather hole for nothing...

    ah yes it happened here but who was swinging off the spanner
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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