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    Icon5 Need Help !! Choosing a car

    I am looking to buy a "new" used car.. my budget is 12000 , but under extreme circumstances i am ready to shell around 15.

    I am looking for a nice manual hatchback for driving around town(not much on the highway). I am hoping to buy a nice car with a Sports car feel and handling but I am trying to keep away from the sports model(like the GT) models. Also I am trying to get a car for which getting spare parts would be cheap and good fuel efficiency.

    I have narrowed down my search to these cars by reading around review. But am unsure of how to filter them further. Please HELP!

    my knowledge level of cars is around 2/10 (being nice to myself)

    The list !!
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    Toyota Corolla
    Honda Civic
    Mitsubishi Mirage
    Mitsubishi Lancer
    Nissan Pulsar
    Holden Vectra
    Ford Laser
    VW Golf -- unsure of this one ..looks like parts maybe too expensive.

    All help appreciated.

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    Because you are on a froggie forum I think you'll find most people will immediately dismiss most or all of the cars on your list.

    I would say go looking for a peugeot 306 hatch XT, XSI, or if you are really lucky you may find an S16 for that price. Beautiful cars to drive, sporty looks in the right colours, sporty feel, lovely handling, good powerplants, efficient like a true pug, and well they stand out from all the other Jap hatches that are around. Oh and safe too

    Peugeot; the drive of your life!!

    BTW I used to own a 98 pulsar plus hatch, and my opinion... boring interior, bad uncomfortable setas, boring to drive, shi%%y powerplants, especially coupled with the auto transmission. They are efficient, and pretty safe but thats all they have going for them.
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    Please accept my apologies. I hadnt noticed that the forum was for french cars. My knowledge is limited(as stated previously) and am sorry for missing those very capable cars. I previously also had a Daewoo, Daihatsu and Kia in the list and had already heard a lot of criticism about even putting those cars against an other car.

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    Are the parts for Peugeot expensive as compared to Toyota , Ford etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by press711
    Are the parts for Peugeot expensive as compared to Toyota , Ford etc.?
    Yup , but this is the case with almost any European car. You can shop around and get parts cheaper... I guess you have the peace of mind that the car is quality built and that you shouldn't need to replace parts often, or at all if you are lucky.

    I guess you really need to weigh up your pros and cons. My decision was based on the fact that my parents own pugs and we barely ever have a problem, and before I bought my peugeot, when I drove it I fell in love with the car. They are wonderful to drive, comfortable, efficient, and they stand out from the rest!!
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    I will filter your list a little;

    Toyota Corolla - NO - HELL NO!!!
    Honda Civic
    Mitsubishi Mirage - NO
    Mitsubishi Lancer - NO
    Nissan Pulsar - MMM... NO
    Holden Vectra - maybe...
    Ford Laser
    VW Golf

    Out of that list I think the Civic or the Golf would be best, but
    you haven't looked into a frog car yet!


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    If I knew more about cars , I wouldnt mind taking risks. But when you rae buying a secondhand car specially a sporty one, you can never trust the previous owner. If I had to buy a brand new I would surely consider it. But I have already had some amazingly ripped pockets from my previous second- hand Honda Prelude. Looked good at surface, even brought it from a dealer but it was the biggest patch up job I had ever owned. And the parts they cost me a fortune everytime. Plus considering the complicated engine layout as compared to a simple Holden or Ford engine. The mechanics had to haul everything out before they could even touch 70% of the parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petermc505
    I will filter your list a little;

    Toyota Corolla - NO - HELL NO!!!
    Honda Civic
    Mitsubishi Mirage - NO
    Mitsubishi Lancer - NO
    Nissan Pulsar - MMM... NO
    Holden Vectra - maybe...
    Ford Laser
    VW Golf

    Out of that list I think the Civic or the Golf would be best, but
    you haven't looked into a frog car yet!
    Actually the Toyota was on the top of my list. Esp considering all reviews esp the ones on carpoint highly recommended it as compared to other cars. Can you please explain? Sorry as stsated i am a newbie in the carworld http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/porta...tau&tabID=6485

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    press711,

    I am selling my 1995 Peugeot 306 S16. Basically it is a 2 door 4 seat hatchback with all mod cons (Air-con, climate control, power steer & windows, leather, ABS ) goes, handles and stops very well and as anyone who has seen it will tell you is in pristine condition.

    More details are available here. Brad's S16 For Sale

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    Quote Originally Posted by petermc505
    I will filter your list a little;

    Toyota Corolla - NO - HELL NO!!!
    Honda Civic
    Mitsubishi Mirage - NO
    Mitsubishi Lancer - NO
    Nissan Pulsar - MMM... NO
    Holden Vectra - maybe...
    Ford Laser
    VW Golf

    Out of that list I think the Civic or the Golf would be best, but
    you haven't looked into a frog car yet!
    i'll narrow that list down a bit further

    Toyota Corolla - NO - HELL NO!!!
    Honda Civic
    Mitsubishi Mirage - NO
    Mitsubishi Lancer - NO
    Nissan Pulsar - MMM... NO
    Holden Vectra - maybe...
    Ford Laser NO
    VW Golf

    out of the list there would be two that i'd own the golf or the civic, i think however you will find a golf rather gutless unless you fork out money for a GTI. the civic well yeah they are decent, vut they are plain and you won't stand out from all the other young hoons and meat heads that like them. if its a sports car you want and $12000 is what you have in your pockets i don't have enough knowledge of the other french marquees so i cant reccomend a renault or a citroen. But either

    a) an exceptional and imaculate late model series 3 205 GT
    b) a decent 306 S16
    c) a 306 XSi (don't get an 8v)
    d) a 205 MI16.... MAYBE, probably not the best option for a first frog
    i'm not sure if any of these sold but send the owners a PM or e-mail

    For Sale 306 s16

    306 S16

    and since i can't find brads thread anymore here is brads profile with a link to his S16 that was for sale

    http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/members/brad.html

    205 MI16
    205 Mi16 for sale

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    Quote Originally Posted by press711
    Actually the Toyota was on the top of my list. Esp considering all reviews esp the ones on carpoint highly recommended it as compared to other cars. Can you please explain? Sorry as stsated i am a newbie in the carworld http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/porta...tau&tabID=6485
    Well you wanted something with a 'sports car feel' didn't you?
    You'll be disappointed with a corolla.
    oh yeah; and I don't like carpoint, there always too positive.
    Find your reviews elsewhere
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    Talking to my mechanic brother about these sort of cars in the past, the Mazda, I mean Ford Laser or Toyota Corolla would probably be your best bet for reliability. The Honda Civic would ok as well, but parts can sometimes be expensive.

    If you were in Perth, you could have bought this.

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    [QUOTE=jester_fu]Sporty.... Anything on your list sporty??


    The civic, well, it's a honda. I'm going to get a bagging for this... but i've never driven a bad Honda. Sometimes boring, but never a bad car. QUOTE]


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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    Talking to my mechanic brother about these sort of cars in the past, the Mazda, I mean Ford Laser or Toyota Corolla would probably be your best bet for reliability. The Honda Civic would ok as well, but parts can sometimes be expensive.

    If you were in Perth, you could have bought this.

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    i can say i've never been one for japanese fords,....... i meen mazda 323's whoops.... ford lasers ummmm... .... .... ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester_fu
    Sporty.... Anything on your list sporty??


    The civic, well, it's a honda. I'm going to get a bagging for this... but i've never driven a bad Honda. Sometimes boring, but never a bad car. QUOTE]


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    sorry just got a little annoyed at what seemed like a narrow minded
    comment, anyway, this should clear things up a bit.
    What is a rice boy?



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    As I said I am look for a decent car with a sports car feel not a sports car .. as i dont trust x-owners of sports car ++ i love the accelaration and the feel of a sports car.. but i need a dependable car as well to get me to office without killing me with petrol bills or repair bills. plus i have no plans of drag racing .. i know i need to improve a lot .. bfr i can even claim to be an above-average driver.

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    Yeah sorry about that mate. Everyone sort of went off on their
    own tangent there. (that happens a lot). Try test driving as many cars
    as possible (if you have time) and draw your own conclusion.
    Make sure you try a frog too!


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    This thread belongs in the Toad Pond because it has zero relevance to anything Aussiefrogs/French Car related at the moment.

    I'm not going to move it there (yet) though, because then press711 won't be able to see it.

    Let's instead make this thread relevant by turning it into a game: I challenge you all to convince him to buy a French car. If Brad sells his S16 to press711, I'll give him a prize

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    As well as checking out the 306, why not look at the Holden Astra?

    With your budget all you will be able to afford Golf wise is the GenIII, which would be a total waste of your time IMHO.

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    Thanks heaps to all.... who replied .. I like the fact that Toyota's are reliable, but if it dosnt have a sport enuf feel ... i dont think i will go for it... maybe it is time for me to test drive a few of these cars ..also i have added the mazda to my list. Thanks again all.

    If the thread remains open .. please feel free to post me your opinions if you alreday owned these cars or had a close friend with one .. or have just went through a similar path bfr..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeKa
    This thread belongs in the Toad Pond because it has zero relevance to anything Aussiefrogs/French Car related at the moment.

    I'm not going to move it there (yet) though, because then press711 won't be able to see it.

    Let's instead make this thread relevant by turning it into a game: I challenge you all to convince him to buy a French car. If Brad sells his S16 to press711, I'll give him a prize

    Derek
    Would love to hear more from all froggie lovers about which froggie car would they think is perfect for me .. i am still trying to sell my old car so it will be a while bfr i buy a new car . plus never driven an manual(by mistake had wriiten automatic) .. so bfr spoiling a new car i would also like to take a few quick lessons from any driving school ... after all i dont want to spoil the gearbox of my 10 grand car.
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    Never driven an automatic? Well that won't be a problem. Just stick it in D and off you go..

    But really you should look at getting a manual. You can get a lot more out of a small car with a manual gearbox.

    I agree you should look seriously at a Peugeot 306. I drove an old (1996?) 306 1.8L base model along with a new Holden Astra and Ford Focus on the same day. The 306 was by far the nicest car. The Ford felt a bit newer, but I found the 306 to have the best steering and suspension. Engine wasn't too bad mated with a manual. It would be pathetically slow with an automatic though.

    306's are reliable cars. Remember you don't have to get it serviced by a Peugeot dealer. Anyone could do it, although you might find some independant specialist mechanics in your area.

    The Corolla is a boring car. The new ones aren't as bad, but those in your price range are dull! Not even the 'Sportivo' model was sporty. Honda Civics are a little 'sportier' than the rest of the Japanese small cars, but the parts/servicing could quite easily be more than that of a Peugeot. We have a 1999 Honda Accord and it costs more to service than a modern Turbo charged Volvo.

    The Holden Astra is a good little car. It is actually a German car that Holden sells out here under their brand. They have good engines and quite decent handling. Likewise, the Holden Vectra is also from Germany. Not as 'sporty' as an Astra, but you get the advantages of owning a bigger car. Might have more standard equipment too such as ABS brakes and an airbag?

    The Ford Laser is the same as a Mazda 323. They only changed a few design details, but underneath it is the same car. You'll probably find the Ford is cheaper to buy second hand.

    I can't recommend either the Mitsubishi Lancer or Mirage. Both are tin-boxes. You are getting far more car with something such as a Holden Astra or Peugeot 306.

    If you are willing to look at mid-sized French sedans (similar size to a Vectra) there is the Peugeot 405 and the Citroen Xantia. The Peugeot is a conventional car, although might cost a little more to run than the other cars listed purely because it is older than the rest. The Citroen has hydraulic suspension instead of regular springs and beams. While this has many advantages, it is quite common for the cheaper ones on sale to have been neglected. This could lead to expensive repairs if you're not 'in the know' with which mechanics to go to etc.

    In the end I say go for a 1998 or newer Astra, some form of Peugeot 306, or a Honda Civic. These will provide the 'sporty' character without being actual sports cars as they have well sorted suspension and steering - making them fun cars to drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by press711
    Would love to hear more from all froggie lovers about which froggie car would they think is perfect for me .. i am still trying to sell my old car so it will be a while bfr i buy a new car . plus never driven an automatic .. so bfr spoiling a new car i would also like to take a few quick lessons from any driving school ... after all i dont want to spoil the gearbox of my 10 grand car.
    LOL .. SORRY iI meant i have never driven a manual

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    Still cant stop laughin at that mistake.

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