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    ok this may be old news but i just found this while searching for a few things and though it may be of interest to some here






    Lexus builds a Japanese Peugeot
    By JOSHUA DOWLING
    Friday 19 October 2001


    In styling the new medium-sized luxury car, the ES300 (pictured), Toyota's designers were apparently so impressed by the Peugeot 607 that they penned one of their own.
    Since Toyota created the Lexus luxury brand 10 years ago the maker has been accused of copycat design.

    The original LS400 luxury sedan was a virtual clone of the Mercedes-Benz S Class; the latest version of the flagship, the LS430, still has hints of the superseded S Class.

    The SC430 sports coupe released earlier this month has a striking resemblance to the Audi TT. Toyota's chairman, Hiroshi Okuda, reportedly has a passion for Peugeots (which could explain the Peugeot 206-like headlights on the new Toyota Tarago).

    The ES300 and Peugeot 607 (pictured) are parked at opposite ends of the Sydney Motor Show but put them abreast and obscure the badges and you could imagine them coming from the same company.

    Despite the cars' common rakish headlights, similar overall proportions, same engine capacity even the same price the ES300's chief engineer, Kosaku Yamada, maintained Lexus did not seek to mirror the Peugeot. The company line is that the ES300 was inspired by the LS430.


    "Design is my passion," he said in Sydney this week, describing the Lexus as "emotional and elegant" with "totally new ... sophisticated styling". The ES300 was designed to "generate emotion".

    "We wanted people to like the outside so much they couldn't wait to get inside."

    A Peugeot spokesman told Drive: "I wouldn't call [the ES300] a Japanese Peugeot and I wouldn't say it's a copy but you can see there are some similarities.

    "Peugeot tries to make its cars as desirable as possible and we obviously try to set styling trends."

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    Even the Lexus's snakeskin-style dashboard grain is the same as that of the Peugeot. That, however, is the limit of the similarities.

    As always with Lexus, the attention to detail is surgical. Lexus engineers not only have damped the springs on the ashtray, glovebox and cup-holder, but they also open at the same dignified pace.

    Fit and finish are immaculate. Lexus has won four of the past six J. D. Power quality surveys in the US and this car is practically guaranteed to continue that trend.

    The all-new ES300 is a little larger overall than the car it replaces. Not a single component is carried over from the old model. The previous ES300 shared underpinnings with the common Camry.

    The 3.0-litre engine has been heavily revised (it now has variable valve timing; read: goes faster) and is matched to a five-speed automatic transmission.

    Safety has taken a quantum leap with dual front and side airbags and curtain airbags to protect both front and rear occupants from side-impact head injuries.

    At $79,950 for the sole version available, the ES300 has increased in price by 5 percent. DVD-based satellite navigation with touch screen technology adds $5,000.


    The Lexus copycats
    The Audi TT is regarded as setting the styling benchmark for the next 10 years but so far only Toyota has built true clones. Its small car brand, Daihatsu, has built a tiny TT lookalike called the Kopen; Lexus's SC430 could be a larger interpretation of the Audi. In a strange twist, Lexus says the styling inspiration for the SC430 came from Jaguar's XK8 ... and yachts.

    In the right light, the original Lexus LS400 looked like a Mercedes S Class. When Toyota said it was going to tackle the Germans, the result was literal. The release of the fourth generation LS last year prompted an angry response from a normally quiet Benz. The Germans said they were flattered but it was time Lexus designed its own cars.
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    Hi Sean,

    Been on here before that news, I'm pretty sure peugeot didn't get to far with their lawsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briz205
    Hi Sean,

    Been on here before that news, I'm pretty sure peugeot didn't get to far with their lawsuit.

    Cheers nick

    i thought it might have been but i wasn't quite sure as i couldn't picture reading about it

    i generally keep track of most things that are posted around generally in the pug section though
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    Peugeot should build some factories in Japan. In a perfect world it would give peugeot styling and engineering/dynamics with Japanese fanatical quality control and lower pricing! Or maybe Peugeot should just hire some Japanese production system managers for their European factories. I'm not convinced peugeot quality is that bad - just the Japanese are the best.

    I think toyota has long followed design cues from peugeot. Corollas fairly well followed the 30's and the look of even the camry has some 40's in it. Peugeot should be flattered.

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    They're both hideous...

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    If you were from Toyota you'd wanna blame Peugeot not try to take the credit yourself.

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    i've seen both, and i dont think they really look *that* similar... :\
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    i've seen both, and i dont think they really look *that* similar... :\


    And,....u would be ABSOLUTELY right....

    Yes there is an aura about the two cars as to general shape and size but thats only if you r looking at the car from about a hundred meters away.....otherwise...you r right...they r different....


    Toyota almost always prays towards the mercedes mecca and those influences can only be appriciated by closer inspection...ie bonnet bulge like mercedes....problem toyota has its not too sure where mercedes is heading since even mercs went through a slight RETRO phase in the early 00 models....

    Otherwise cars are differnt in many ways...peugeot lights CUT into guards more like a citroen than that lexus, fog lights and bottom of bumper is mercedes shape/copy...pug guard FOLD inwards....lexus out...lexus side profile is chasing mercedes again...much more flat ( abit like the merc v12 back in the mid 90ees)..pugs side is more rounded and integrates front to back much better...which is obvioulsy easier to achieve on a longer chassis of the 607 than it was on the 307....arches are more defined on the 607 (ala bmw) and the back of the vehicle is much more individual and in no way does it resemble the lexus which i think was designed to impress the americans more so than the europeans...ie....more bland/ conservative.....



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