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    Am getting to the point where I want an old reno to muck about with, but something more modern for a daily driver. With around 20K in mind to spend, I am having thoughts about a 406 manual (ST or SV - leaning towards SV though) or an Alfa 156 twin spark manual. This gets me a modern car with leather, climate, dual bags etc etc. Nothing in the modern Renault range really does it for me (if a 96- 99 V6 manual Laguna existed in the country I probably wouldnt be having this discussion though )

    Any thoughts (ie anyone know about 156s?)?

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    Haakon are you baiting me?
    I know these things well. The 406 is nice, but bland by comparison. If you are entertained by a sporty car, there is NO comparison. But if you just want a comfy big slow car, then the 406 is best.
    The 156 is unreal as a driver. I would rather have a selespeed, but not without a LONG warranty.
    156 motors can go POP , mainly cos of cam belt occurances due I think mostly from tensioner failures. Make sure these are ok. Otherwise nothing to worry about besides the cost of discs, but there is a plethora of non-gen parts.
    156 air-con needs playing with to get the best out of it.
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    well on that basis from warwick the 406SV sounds like the car to go for
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    This is all a good 6 months away at least, and I may well change my mind again bythen
    The 406 V6 appeals as a nice cruising/effortless long distance touring car that can be made to hustle when needed. I am not considering the auto for a second though!

    The Alfa I am worried about being too demanding to drive daily. Again, not considering the auto, and the Selespeed scares me as a DIY maintenance type person who still wont be able to afford to get it serviced and repaired by "experts"

    Its why I sold the Fuego for an R25 - got sick of the "sports" car ride and wanted a touring car. But I now miss all that about the Fuego - the R25 is too much of a touring car and isnt happy enough to play (even if it did have any power ) and is getting a bit old a rattly for a daily driver. What I really need is two cars in one, which is a bit tricky, so am looking for that perfect compromise.
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    What about a late 90s Audi A4 1.8T ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    What about a late 90s Audi A4 1.8T ?

    Ever tried driving one of that series A4 for a long period of time? Christ almighty I found it uncomfortable - horrible seating/wheel position. I'm not the only one either. Wasn't impressed with the handling either really.

    The 406 SVs have got a fair bit of poke, from memory they got to 100 clicks in high 7s/low 8s? Fairly capable handling, but not outstanding?

    Both the alfa and the 406 seem pretty decent value for money. Alfa is much cooler though!

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    What about an audi 100 CD they are old....

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    156 motors can go POP , mainly cos of cam belt occurances due I think mostly from tensioner failures.

    Can they ever.....this reminded me of a 164 I went to see at fowles....
    Car appeared OK externally EXCEPT for a little BULGE in the roof.....
    I had a look inside to find a gaping hole towards the middle of the dash (just to the left of the steering wheel).....
    Apparently a PISTON let go (god knows why....being an alfa...maybe the stars and the moon weren t in alignement).....The piston SHOT through the head than the firewall (transverse v6), it than easily made its way through the pininfarina dash and ended up hitting midway (just behind drivers head) up the ceiling....
    Was funny,....but geezzz must have been a scary experience for somebody...especially if the car was moving.....



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    The 164s are a stunning car though, in many ways classier than the current range....the up coming models appear to be a lot more agressive and defined/simplefied....


    PS....the closest i ever came to the above "loose piston" story was a handbrake lever BUTTON letting go in a VOLVO 240.....I thought I was going to die.....
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    DO NOT BUY A ALFA 156


    alfa 156 break down very easly,i work for a car dealship and there always something wrong,i know of one that caught on fire and they cost alot to sevice


    buy a 406 to be on the safe side
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsydney
    What about an audi 100 CD they are old....
    forget that one. I know them
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    Hi, read in car mechanics (an english mag) how much work is involved in changing a cam belt on a V6 alpha. About 6 hours from memory.
    But i'm sure they are nice to drive but can you still hear them rusting on a quiet night? My brothers in law had fiats and alphas.
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    I sold Alfa's for 4 years and pugs for a couple. 156's are pretty good in manual form. Nothing much goes wrong with them, as long as the cam belt doesn't pop.
    Ya wouldn't buy a selespeed and not have warranty. Selespeed is absolutley fantastic, but the reality is that the actuators, which DO stuff up, are worth about.. I dunno, but I heard $8000 once.
    The 156 is quite a relaxed comfy car, and is not highly strung at all really. Its an excellent car. The 406 is nice, but I wouldn't wanna drive one two days in a row.

    I know when I was selling them, I just didn't drive 406's by choice. I like to be entertained by a car, and the 406 didn't ever do it for me. Except the diesels which are much better than the petrol cars.
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    Dino, I never saw an Alfa V6, basically from 87 til now go bang. Ever. They leak oil, but they dont explode often.

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    A mate of mine had the cam belt go on his 164 V6 about a year ago. He got a quote from an Alfa specialist to repair the damage - $7,500. So, as he knows nothing about cars, I gave the Alfa importer a bell to see what they'd charge for a crated factory motor, thinking it must be pretty close to the quote...

    A bargain at TWENTY GRAND!!!

    FWIW, CAR magazine still reckon the 406 is a great drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey
    A mate of mine had the cam belt go on his 164 V6 about a year ago. He got a quote from an Alfa specialist to repair the damage - $7,500. So, as he knows nothing about cars, I gave the Alfa importer a bell to see what they'd charge for a crated factory motor, thinking it must be pretty close to the quote...

    A bargain at TWENTY GRAND!!!

    FWIW, CAR magazine still reckon the 406 is a great drive.

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    The question is, did the cambelt let go? Or did your mate let the cambelt go?

    Similar story from my mechanic. Alfa 164, owner drove it 12'000kms past cambelt replacement mileage. Bang, crash, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle..... quote was $13k. Hardly the fault of the car, though they aren't as forgiving as Hyundai Excels when it comes the belt-breakage.
    I'm guessing a that a similar amount of damage (and $$$) would be done should a 406SV break it's cambelt, assuming it's not a free-spinning engine, but Alfas are probably more likely to be driven hard, cos that's what they're good at.
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    I was told that a new auto gearbox for a Peugeot 406 SV will set you (or the dealer) back $20,000!

    I also believe the cam belt changes for the pug V6 are quite expensive, and every 80,000km. I remember when my parents looked at them they wanted to know how Volvo made cam belt changes every 120,000km AND it was cheaper to get done.
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    Haakon not looking to get flamed but there is a car on the market thats manual, RWD 2+2 coupe, good power 147kw all modern features and has been on the market about 8 years until several years ago- Nissan 200 sx.
    Should be a wide selection to choose from on the S/H market.
    Thought the last shape looked fine, but I do have bland taste ( R25).
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    Nick, Peugeot recommend that the cambelt on the 406SV is changed every 120,000km's or every 6 years. It's a damn expensive exercise - I just had the job done and it set me back a little over $1000. Peugeot quote about $700 for the job, but it would seem that they overlook a good many items needed to get it working properly (tensioners, seals etc). I emailed Peugeot to ask exactly what exactly their $700 worth of quote included. A month later and no response.

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    $1000 is a lot for a cambelt change but when you think it is every 6 years it's not so bad

    a 306 is around $370 for a belt every 4 years (and that is a dealers price)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    I also believe the cam belt changes for the pug V6 are quite expensive, and every 80,000km. I remember when my parents looked at them they wanted to know how Volvo made cam belt changes every 120,000km AND it was cheaper to get done.
    120,000km on the HDis.

    Latest Volvos are on a 165,000km cambelt schedule now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    120,000km on the HDis.

    Latest Volvos are on a 165,000km cambelt schedule now

    how many are going to make it that far before they go pop you reckon ???

    be interesting to see over time if they bring it back again
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    how many are going to make it that far before they go pop you reckon ???

    be interesting to see over time if they bring it back again
    I couldn't believe it myself when I first saw that, it'll be a few years still till the bulk of cars hit that mileage. Some have passed it.

    I'm sure there must be other manufacturers with that interval though. These days with various advances, they're always increasing various service intervals.

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    One of my sisters was up here last weekend and had the belt go in her Vectra. It appears the idler pulley failed.
    Car is out of warranty but was still 6000 under the recommended belt change of 120000.
    End result is a $4500 repair bill that Holden have agreed to pay for.
    Lucky it wasn't 7000k's down the track.

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    This is difficult because I love Peugeots obviously.

    But, my uncle has a 156 2.5 V6 Sportpack 6 speed manual. It is a delight to drive, I absolutely love this car and would buy one if I was in the market for a car of that price.

    The interior is awesome, it looks great, handles superbly, it just feels so right.

    But it is quite a handful to drive in some ways, I don't know how it would be on a day to day basis but I found it a car you definetely had to concentrate to drive, it wanted you to be involved, the driving position, pedals and gear change are geared towards an involving drive.

    Then again, a 3.0 V6 manual 406 is hardly gutless. I haven't driven a 406 so I can't really comment.

    I think both cars are great, just get the V6 model of either and a manual gearbox.

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    Surely it can't be that bad to drive - can't be in 205 territory for rawness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jez 405
    The question is, did the cambelt let go? Or did your mate let the cambelt go?

    Similar story from my mechanic. Alfa 164, owner drove it 12'000kms past cambelt replacement mileage. Bang, crash, tinkle, tinkle, tinkle..... quote was $13k. Hardly the fault of the car, though they aren't as forgiving as Hyundai Excels when it comes the belt-breakage.
    I'm guessing a that a similar amount of damage (and $$$) would be done should a 406SV break it's cambelt, assuming it's not a free-spinning engine, but Alfas are probably more likely to be driven hard, cos that's what they're good at.
    Oh, I wasn't putting this up as a thing against the Alfa V6. Just a comment that I thought was interesting. $20K is a lot of bucks for a simple-ish motor without ancillaries.

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