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    Hi wise people,

    I own a couple of Peugeot turbo diesels, but both have a manual gearbox and my wife wonít drive them. I think that sheís capable, but she says that sheís not.

    Because of our location, country NSW, and our regular long distance travel, we both believe that something larger than the 307 is going to be better suited to our needs. The Peugeot 406 feels great on our long distance drives, but, as I said, itís a manual, and she wonít drive it.

    So weíre looking for something Ö

    We have seen two Peugeot 406s, but both were sold before we began looking seriously, and hadnít been taken off the advertising sites.

    We have seen a few Peugeot 407s, and she drove one of them. It was a 2011 model with about 85000 kilometres on the speedo. It was way overpriced, in my opinion, at over $10000 and the owner wasnít very interested in negotiating. And it had an engine light on, but he couldnít tell me what it was for.
    Other 407s havenít overly inspired us yet. And the series 2 seem to be quite pricey.

    I havenít seen many CitroŽn C5s, but Iím not sure if I should go down that path anyway.
    What is the collective wisdom of them, please?

    Iíve seen two Renault Laguna Series 2 in the last couple of days, but I honestly donít know anything about them.
    The two reviews I have read were not overly critical of the model, but they werenít heaping praise, either.

    So, all in all, Iím looking for fact based opinions and advice. You will know, if you are a regular on here, that Iím not the most competent handyman, but I am willing to learn, usually.

    Fire away, please, and be respectful.



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    A 2011 407 ? Not a 508 ? A c5 is a great car I have one for sale but not trying to sell it to you , any car like that with an am6 box and with over 120k on it you want the valve body to be done already because they all eventually fail to a various degree. Ideally with a trans fluid change history.
    Someone selling a car with an engine light should be well avoided I canít fathom that at all .
    I know the laguna is a ok car but sales numbers where low so wrecker parts etc will always be harder than say a 407 that sold very well relatively speaking.



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    FYI
    Citroen C5 X7 2010 MY 11 Need to move on my C5 with my on going neck problems I cannot drive it and itís to much car for my wife for her 5 minute commute.

    Itís a rare beast it has a factory smeg v2 radio so it has apple car play mirror screen, sat Nav (fully updated and can be updated for at least 5 years to come) aftermarket blind spot monitoring only fitted due to my neck issue.

    Itís been fully serviced by me a factory Citroen mechanic of over 20 years using total 5/30 oil then the 0/30 when psa changed the spec and had the oil pump recall carried out at the same time. ( C5s has a modified oil pump fitted to allow use of 0/30 )

    Itís currently at 165071ks and rego will expire on the 5/07/20.

    At 140k I replaced the valve body with a genuine part and flushed the transmission using only genuine oil under a Citroen goodwill claim.

    Also replaced the front control arms with genuine items.

    At 150k I carried out a full service all filters and fluids including a auto drain and refill.

    Around March this year I replaced the battery.

    At 162k I changed the oil and filter and replaced the fan module due to failure again with genuine parts.

    I never have used anything but genuine parts apart from batteries which everyone knows psa batteries are crap.

    The cam belt will be due at the end of next year at 180k

    I donít want to sell this car but itís just not going to be used for what itís built for.

    Now the bad itís got genuine 19Ē wheels with good tyres but as most know these wheels are awful and very rough on bad roads they look great but I have genuine 17Ē wheels that will go with the car I just dont have the energy to go and get tyres put on them and get them refitted.

    It has a small crease on the RHR near the taillight that I want to get repaired but again time and motion. I put a post on this a few weeks ago.

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    We (being french connection) have a nice cheap series 2 c5 for sale at the moment. Check in the for sale section under too good to wreck. It's a bloodt nice car, I've actually started to fall for it! It needs to go before I do something that will get me kicked out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmccurtayne View Post

    It’s a rare beast it has a factory smeg v2 radio so it has apple car play mirror screen,
    Hang on.... there are C5’s floating about with Apple CarPlay?! Your car is 2010, Apple CarPlay didn’t exist then? How is this possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cav91 View Post
    We (being french connection) have a nice cheap series 2 c5 for sale at the moment. Check in the for sale section under too good to wreck. It's a bloodt nice car, I've actually started to fall for it! It needs to go before I do something that will get me kicked out!
    What would you get kicked out of or from?

    But seriously, whatís involved in the rear trailing arm bearings? Reading that did frighten me just a little bit.

    What else was there? The windscreen washer bottle? (Itís difficult to read the for sale post and write this at the same time!)

    And also, whatís involved in getting the car to NSW, which is where I live? Does VicRoads issue something like unregistered vehicle permits? And if so, what do I have to do to get one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyfelix View Post
    Hang on.... there are C5ís floating about with Apple CarPlay?! Your car is 2010, Apple CarPlay didnít exist then? How is this possible?
    I put a smeg unit out of a 2016 c5 in it not rocket surgery if you have the know how. My old 307 had a Rt6 3008 sat Nav in it. Our 4008 has wireless CarPlay now I donít get having a car that you donít need a key to start but need to plug your phone in? Thatís the real question
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    Quote Originally Posted by 505604 View Post
    What would you get kicked out of or from?

    But seriously, whatís involved in the rear trailing arm bearings? Reading that did frighten me just a little bit.

    What else was there? The windscreen washer bottle? (Itís difficult to read the for sale post and write this at the same time!)

    And also, whatís involved in getting the car to NSW, which is where I live? Does VicRoads issue something like unregistered vehicle permits? And if so, what do I have to do to get one?
    Kicked out of my house. End up sleeping in the dog kennel!

    I've never attempted trailing arm bearing. But I've removed the arms and they're pretty easy. Can't imagine the bearings being that hard.
    The washer level sensor just a sensor in the washer bottle. Probably something I'd ignore.
    And I think it needs a bottom engine mount it's a bit vibratey at idle.
    Yes you can buy vicroads unregistered vehicle permits all you need is the vin number. Need to remember you can only drive from 7 to 7. At least until you get to the boarder then the local police would have no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 505604 View Post
    What would you get kicked out of or from?

    But seriously, whatís involved in the rear trailing arm bearings? Reading that did frighten me just a little bit.

    What else was there? The windscreen washer bottle? (Itís difficult to read the for sale post and write this at the same time!)

    And also, whatís involved in getting the car to NSW, which is where I live? Does VicRoads issue something like unregistered vehicle permits? And if so, what do I have to do to get one?
    The real issue that can come with rear control arm bearings is if the arm is damaged then you can be up for an arm not always but I always quoted this as a possibility when bearings replaced.
    You will need a blue slip for any car registered or not to rego it from another state to nsw sort of what they used to call going over the pits or an extended pink slip with a through identification check.
    And an unregistered permit is only for use in the state of issue you would need one from service for your trip into nsw.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dmccurtayne View Post
    I put a smeg unit out of a 2016 c5 in it not rocket surgery if you have the know how. My old 307 had a Rt6 3008 sat Nav in it.
    That’s good work, Dave!

    I put a Bluetooth radio and CD unit from a 308 into my 307, but I never thought about going the extra steps for the SatNav.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmccurtayne View Post
    The real issue that can come with rear control arm bearings is if the arm is damaged then you can be up for an arm not always but I always quoted this as a possibility when bearings replaced.
    You will need a blue slip for any car registered or not to rego it from another state to nsw sort of what they used to call going over the pits or an extended pink slip with a through identification check.
    And an unregistered permit is only for use in the state of issue you would need one from service for your trip into nsw.


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    Actually you can use the permit from any state, in any state. As long as your on a direct route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cav91 View Post
    Actually you can use the permit from any state, in any state. As long as your on a direct route.
    I agree, I've driven a car from your workshop home to Sydney on a single permit, with no number plates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cav91 View Post
    Actually you can use the permit from any state, in any state. As long as your on a direct route.
    I tried to post this last night, but aussiefrogs kept giving me errors. Something about port 80, but I can’t remember the details.

    When I drove an unregistered 504 from around this area to Queensland a few years ago, I had to self-certify that the car was roadworthy, and I had to put on the RMS application my starting point and my destination. And there was something on the application which indicated that I had to go between the two places using the most direct route. I wasn’t allowed to deviate at all.

    Presumably, I was going to be allowed to turn into a fuel station, because there’s no chance of a 504 going that distance on one tank! As it was, the car didn’t get to Gundagai, so I never put any of that to the test.
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    No one has made any comments about the Renault Laguna as a model.

    I’m not asking for comments about the two particular cars which I have seen for sale, but does no one have any comment about the Laguna as a car?

    Good? Bad? Indifferent?
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    A Laguna 2 is an old car, most with many K's under their wheels, and likely due for at least a timing belt (both 2L and V6). A Laguna 3 is a very rare car, and also likely starting to get long in the tooth.

    As for a VicRoads unregistered vehicle permit, what a simple pain-free way of moving a vehicle! Recent experience was purchasing a permit on-line using an SA home address, VIN number required, as well as a printer to print out the permit. This was a seven day permit with no day/night restrictions. On the trip back to Adelaide with no rego plates, the vehicle was pulled in for a breatho check in Nhill at about 8.30pm, no hassles with no plates, and they didn't even bother looking at the permit on the windscreen. Vehicle was booked into Regency Park for SA rego, no problems with driving the car around with no plates, a Vic Roads permit and an SA address and licence.

    In this case kudos to VicRoads for making things really easy and simple!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    A Laguna 2 is an old car, most with many K's under their wheels, and likely due for at least a timing belt (both 2L and V6). A Laguna 3 is a very rare car, and also likely starting to get long in the tooth.
    Thanks, Simon.

    Both of the Lagunas I have seen for sale have the 2.2 litre turbo Diesel engine. One car is a 2007 model and has 114xxx kilometres. The other car is a 2008 model and it has 104xxx kilometres.

    They are not excessive kilometres for a Diesel engine, in my opinion. And are they a series 2 car?

    What do you know about that engine?

    Thanks for being the first person to make any comments about the Laguna!
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    As I said above the numbers of lagunas make second hand parts a pain we never kept any lagunas that we traded on pugs or cits just seem to have to much interior trim falling to bits like seat bits etcs but mechanically seem ok


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    My impression of lagunas is not a good one.
    I'd not recommend one to anyone I liked.
    Very comfortable, but pesky issues.

    Having a Samsung/nissan flavoured Renault, a Koleos, I'd be tempted to steer you in that direction rather than a laguna.
    I have not head too much bad about the Fluence or Lattitude.
    They look Ok, and being a Renault, will be great second hand value.

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    I don't go to casinos, but I imagine buying one of those cars is like betting on red or black. You either win or lose, like with any old car. The good thing is, no timing belt. The bad, if they are a Laguna 2 dCi, they make a Laguna 3 look common. IIRC, only fifty of them were imported. They are likely cheap for a reason, as unfortunately the Laguna 2 was not Renaults best effort, although the later cars seem better than the earlier cars, they appear to have their fair share of odd electrical and keycard issues.

    Good knowledge on recent Peugeots on AFs is plentiful, so I'd follow the supply of knowledge. What is the wife currently driving? How about just getting an updated one of those if it is a liked vehicle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    My impression of lagunas is not a good one.
    I'd not recommend one to anyone I liked.
    Very comfortable, but pesky issues.

    Having a Samsung/nissan flavoured Renault, a Koleos, I'd be tempted to steer you in that direction rather than a laguna.
    I have not head too much bad about the Fluence or Lattitude.
    They look Ok, and being a Renault, will be great second hand value.

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    So your saying buy a dual clutch car for what I see as under 6k are you crazy that could cost thousands and ruin some people.


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    I have had two Lagunas, a series 1 MY 1995 and a series 2 MY 2002.

    The series one I had for 10 years, the problems that I had were starter motor, immobiliser, left drive shaft inner joint and gearbox solenoids.

    The series 2 I have had for 3 1/2 years and only had a battery/alternator, an immobiliser/key card issues and courtesy light switches.

    If you want to own these cars you need to be able to do your own diagnostic and mechanical work or they will cost you a fortune.

    You will also want to check the car out thoroughly before purchase and it will also want to be cheap, make sure it has a service history and the services have been done.

    I purchased my series 2 Laguna for $1700. I replaced the timing belt, rear suspension bushes, inner track joint/rods, hazard and rear window switches and fixed a few oil leaks.

    If you get a good car you will get a lot of car for your money and you don't need to worry about depreciation because the previous owners have already paid for that.
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    my series 2 laguna is a mirrored story of cols,bought cheap ($550)from local wrecker because of said computer fault (voice readout of sensor b and c faulty in reverse only) but water pump,timing belt,ign coils,rear susp bushes,auto and engine service front pads and new w/screen on road for around $3500,having done all work myself and has been reliable last three years as my daily driver work hack.i do realise resale wise it is not worth much at all........jim
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