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    I see that Aussiefrogs is coming up to its 20th birthday. Who would have thought that there was a passionate and dedicated market out there for Gerry with his vision to cater for our passion for French cars?

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    Sadly today, we see the site is now compromised by hosting issues, and its functionality compromised, currently in “limp home mode’-ie: posting pics, editing posts in the For Sale section and even at times adjusting your signature.
    So I propose and implore Gerry to reconsider his decision in rejecting member contributions to this site in the past.

    Aussiefrogs deserves to regain & remain the number one site for our Australian/New Zealand and Southern Hemisphere enthusiasts to continue to ’Share the Knowledge”.

    Come on Gerry, the time is right!
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    I wasn't part of the argument at the time, but I can see why being pure about not having to pay would have a lot to recommend it, not least in that it makes it as inclusive as possible, thus maximising our ability to support the ongoing viability of crazy French cars (and the crazy people who like them).

    This is a website which is widely respected and is used as a source for information and advice by folks from all around the world. AF is obviously coming up relatively high on a lot of Google searches, which speaks for itself.

    The question is whether to keep it this way, on the "don't fix something that's working" principle or whether we accept that it has reached a critical mass and is being constrained by server mischief/budget etc. and may need to move to a partially paid model.

    Making everybody pay up front would kill things pretty quickly ( and impose a significant admin burden, possibly also a compliance one - ATO etc. )

    The question is whether a graded membership would work, with a minority paying and getting rather more choices, with those not paying able to read and post, but perhaps not do quite as much.

    All this would depend upon how much it would cost to get a significant upgrade in server performance. Should it be a stupid amount of money most of us would say 'no", but if I were to have to contribute something of the order of a car club membership fee (50-100.00 ) I would be in without complaint.

    How much money would we need to raise each year?

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    I'm also curious about how much the site costs to host and run. I wonder if the various French car clubs would be interested in donating enough to make it worthwhile?
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    If the brands that are represented on the A/F site were to be polled about it's international efficacy, one wonders whether they might not be inclined to chuck in the (hopefully) small amount of Euros required to install a bit more bandwidth, on a trilateral equal footing, with their advertising (in a tasteful and restricted but even handed) way being their appeal.
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    O.K. I'll kick of the donations with a small contribution $50 if that is acceptable to our host, happy to send it direct to a Bank account, PM me with it and I will do the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Watkins View Post
    I wasn't part of the argument at the time, but I can see why being pure about not having to pay would have a lot to recommend it, not least in that it makes it as inclusive as possible, thus maximising our ability to support the ongoing viability of crazy French cars (and the crazy people who like them).

    This is a website which is widely respected and is used as a source for information and advice by folks from all around the world. AF is obviously coming up relatively high on a lot of Google searches, which speaks for itself.

    The question is whether to keep it this way, on the "don't fix something that's working" principle or whether we accept that it has reached a critical mass and is being constrained by server mischief/budget etc. and may need to move to a partially paid model.

    Making everybody pay up front would kill things pretty quickly ( and impose a significant admin burden, possibly also a compliance one - ATO etc. )

    The question is whether a graded membership would work, with a minority paying and getting rather more choices, with those not paying able to read and post, but perhaps not do quite as much.

    All this would depend upon how much it would cost to get a significant upgrade in server performance. Should it be a stupid amount of money most of us would say 'no", but if I were to have to contribute something of the order of a car club membership fee (50-100.00 ) I would be in without complaint.

    How much money would we need to raise each year?

    Best Wishes

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    Andrew makes a good point here about the difficulty inherent in an approach that would require everyone to pay - which as he says would likely kill off the site rather quickly. A possible approach could be that of the Guardian - whose tag-line is "Available for everyone, funded by readers".

    They take an approach of giving people the opportunity to contribute, if and how they wish to do so. If one is so inclined, one can make a one-off donation, or an ongoing subscription. They encourage people to do that - if they value the Guardian's journalism - or people can just read for free if they choose to do so. They thank the donors and subscribers, and they remind/encourage others that the donation/subscription options are there, but there is (in my observation) no pressure to donate or subscribe. There is no pay-wall as with some other online newspapers (no names, no pack-drill ...).

    Could this be an option for AF to consider?

    Ian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IWS View Post
    Andrew makes a good point here about the difficulty inherent in an approach that would require everyone to pay - which as he says would likely kill off the site rather quickly. A possible approach could be that of the Guardian - whose tag-line is "Available for everyone, funded by readers".

    They take an approach of giving people the opportunity to contribute, if and how they wish to do so. If one is so inclined, one can make a one-off donation, or an ongoing subscription. They encourage people to do that - if they value the Guardian's journalism - or people can just read for free if they choose to do so. They thank the donors and subscribers, and they remind/encourage others that the donation/subscription options are there, but there is (in my observation) no pressure to donate or subscribe. There is no pay-wall as with some other online newspapers (no names, no pack-drill ...).

    Could this be an option for AF to consider?

    Ian.
    Ian I wouldn't do it for the guardian, too many propaganda articles, but I would for this site see above, perhaps we could add to the pledged amount and lets see what a pledge to assist by donation, can achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post
    Ian I wouldn't do it for the guardian, too many propaganda articles, but I would for this site see above, perhaps we could add to the pledged amount and lets see what a pledge to assist by donation, can achieve.

    Ken
    Ken,

    Your reply emphasises the point I was making - you regard the Guardian as having "too many propaganda articles" so would not support it with $ - but it seems you do read it sometimes. And that is OK - the Guardian model allows for that. Others value the Guardian - and so are happy to contribute, rather than just read for free.

    In the case of AF - some folks will visit, read, contribute, gather information - but will not be inclined to contribute towards the cost of running the site. And that is OK. Equally some will be happy to contribute $. If there was an optional donation or subscription option on AF then the Guardian model of "Available for everyone, funded by readers" could happily apply.

    Ken, you have said yes to contributing, so has Andrew. I will too. I expect many others would as well. Let's hear some more views on this.

    Ian.

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    I'm not sure I'm into the "pay to spin propaganda" model that some of us here might take up and feel good about. Speaking practically I'm not inconvenienced too often by bandwidth issues and I now have the luxury of being able to use the site during normal working hours. If our gracious host requires a sub, the Guardian model would probably do the trick.
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    Set up a target $10,000 say by end June 2019 and simply ask for a donation.
    Many websites do this to keep them up and running

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