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    Default Good Police work! :)

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/20...racted-drivers

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    Hi,
    yes great work. It is a pity they aren't policing anyone doing anything to do with road safety.
    The notion that you can be a "distracted driver" while sitting in a stationary car is pretty stupid.

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    I wonder why they feel the need for such stunts. To catch distracted drivers all they have to do is take a cruise down the freeway and get all the drivers driving too fast, too slow, playing on their phone, looking straight into the sky and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1972Ren View Post
    Hi,
    yes great work. It is a pity they aren't policing anyone doing anything to do with road safety.
    The notion that you can be a "distracted driver" while sitting in a stationary car is pretty stupid.
    Great work indeed! Just like drifting a few km over the posted speed limit attracts a fine even though there is no danger to anybody!
    Yet, so many wowsers think that is justified because it's the law

    Just another form of revenue raising? At least with the phone business it means that they have no hands free set up and might be tempted to fiddle with their phone when on the move as well?
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    I wonder if the fatal head on two truck crash on Picton Rd near Wollongong this morning was caused by one of the drivers faffing about with a phone? Time may tell...
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    You all seem to forget that whether distracted or not, it is illegal for a driver to operate a hand-held mobile phone whilst in control of a vehicle that is not parked.

    ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 300 Use of mobile phones
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    And all rules must be obeyed, and policed with zero tolerance, because they are rules, Just Because.
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    Unless you are in the police force
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo View Post
    Unless you are in the police force
    That's so true, JoBo! The wallopers are also allowed to exceed 100 or 110 kph! I'm surprised they don't just explode when they do that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1972Ren View Post
    And all rules must be obeyed, and policed with zero tolerance, because they are rules, Just Because.
    There are rules and there are laws. Don't confuse the two unless you have lots of money and/or don't particularly want to drive for extended periods......
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    Good that you linked those mobile phone infringements Kim, many still don't realise that they cannot use their phones if they temporarily stop at traffic lights etc.

    Might save some an embarrassing fine. but if you pull to the side of the road and park your car that complies. Many police officers do that to answer a phone while working rather than make use of the exemption provided as it is much safer.

    If members are involved in a collision or incident however due to use of a mobile phone they would most likely be charged with other offences for which there is no exemption, and that was a bone of contention when that was promulgated to operational personnel by senior officers.

    Amazing how many drivers that will try and do text messages while driving. Women it is said are a noticeable group that regularly are observed using phones like that.


    Common to have those offences raised at Road Safety forums due to that use distracting drivers and prevalence of rear end and other collisions etc as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post

    Amazing how many drivers that will try and do text messages while driving. Women it is said are a noticeable group that regularly are observed using phones like that.

    Really? You sound like your glasses are fogged or you dont actually drive. There is just as much use by men as women. Are you over 50 by chance?

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    Don't touch your mobile while in your car....but an RT is ok😂

    Breaker breaker do you have your ears on.

    Mobile phone usage while in a car is an issue of all genders and ages it just seems more obvious by women drivers.

    With all the new voice activated commands I'm sure it won't be long before we'll be fined from talking while driving.

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    It is not illegal to use a CB , UHF or VHF whilst driving:

    HOWEVER, there is legislation concerning the proper control of a motor vehicle (ARR 297), which means that while you could not be fined for holding and using a CB microphone, if you are not in full control of the vehicle because you are using the microphone you could be fined under that road rule.

    297: Driver to have proper control of a vehicle etc

    (1) A driver must not drive a vehicle unless the driver has proper control of the vehicle.

    ULTIMATELY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
    Ultimately each driver is responsible for ensuring they have proper and safe control of the vehicle they are driving. This must always be paramount, and a microphone cord tangled around a steering wheel or gear stick can be extremely dangerous. While there is no road rule that bans the use of a hand held CB/two-way microphone while driving, you must still be certain you are in full control of your vehicle while using the microphone, and that it does not pose a risk to the safety of you, your vehicle or others.

    Also, be aware that not every Police officer has knowledge of every single road rule; if they see you with a microphone in your hand be prepared to defend your actions! Be polite, point out it is a CB microphone and that under the Australian Road Rules it is exempted from the mobile phone rule, but in the end if the officer wishes to issue a fine you may need to defend your action in court.

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    CFA regulations were drivers could use the radio but not when travelling Code One (lights and sirens). Laws used to be applied with discretion and common sense. When the purpose of laws was recognised, the orderly running of society, it made for sensible applications and outcomes. If a warning was considered effective a fine wasn't imposed. Country police turned a blind eye to tractors on the roads, unregistered fire trucks in emergencies and kids driving cars when necessity dictated. Now many suspect revenue raising to be a motivation. Laws are of course still applied selectively according to the political directives of the day. Have a look at times protestors conduct illegal roadblocks outside meatworks in Brooklyn, climbing on the trucks, breaching bio security protocols all with the permission of the watching police. On the other hand over zealous policing of road blocks is now a new hazard in bushfire zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam85 View Post
    Really? You sound like your glasses are fogged or you dont actually drive. There is just as much use by men as women. Are you over 50 by chance?

    Get your hand off it.
    You sound like the typical cocky myopic wet behind the ears anti older driver, shoot from the lip but lacking world experience driver that insurance companies statistically use to increase cost of insurance for a whole range of drivers to cover the irresponsible actions of a few. Now if I have incorrectly labelled you or maligned you I apologise.

    My comment was based on my observation of the most up to date community based road safety campaigns where police, local community representatives and other interested organisations and local government meet under the Vic Roads Roadsafe initiative, to try and keep our roads safe and educate younger drivers to deal with the emerging hazards and sadly some social habits that endanger others on our roads. Mobile phones and the social need to attend to them IS a major distraction.


    Of course if you are one of the younger and concerned motorists who are interested enough to join your local road safety organisation, actively support road safety, to represent the deep concerns of the driver age group that you best represent..

    I would do my best to help your own personal road safety concern. Have that concern professionally investigated, data documented, and a suitable targeted road safety campaign developed and funded from our meagre Roadsafe resources. Resources that are boosted by the number of willing volunteers who give their time and active support to get those messages across to the "bulletproof" individuals who have difficulty in understanding safer driving.

    I would welcome your actual participation, as us older drivers who have volunteered in that capacity for many decades, would like to step aside in response to your volunteer commitment and submission of new ideas and road safety initiatives.


    I.E. get your hands on experience of helping to save lives. It might be yours too, . I kind of like that Road safety video where a person is asked what is an acceptable annual road toll, and he is happy with a number suggested till he is visually confronted with his relatives and friends making up his chosen number, that he then amends to zero once that realisation hits home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cam85 View Post
    Really? You sound like your glasses are fogged or you dont actually drive. There is just as much use by men as women. Are you over 50 by chance?

    Get your hand off it.

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    I think you are spot on there. Not sure where the idea that this a girl problem comes from, as it is normally men I see using the phone in the car. I think yes you have been incorrectly labelled.

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    Seriously though, those drivers were very obviously distracted by their phones or they might've noticed the window cleaners looked a bit too well fed that day, surely!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post
    You sound like the typical cocky myopic wet behind the ears anti older driver, shoot from the lip but lacking world experience driver that insurance companies statistically use to increase cost of insurance for a whole range of drivers to cover the irresponsible actions of a few. Now if I have incorrectly labelled you or maligned you I apologise.

    My comment was based on my observation of the most up to date community based road safety campaigns where police, local community representatives and other interested organisations and local government meet under the Vic Roads Roadsafe initiative, to try and keep our roads safe and educate younger drivers to deal with the emerging hazards and sadly some social habits that endanger others on our roads. Mobile phones and the social need to attend to them IS a major distraction.


    Of course if you are one of the younger and concerned motorists who are interested enough to join your local road safety organisation, actively support road safety, to represent the deep concerns of the driver age group that you best represent..

    I would do my best to help your own personal road safety concern. Have that concern professionally investigated, data documented, and a suitable targeted road safety campaign developed and funded from our meagre Roadsafe resources. Resources that are boosted by the number of willing volunteers who give their time and active support to get those messages across to the "bulletproof" individuals who have difficulty in understanding safer driving.

    I would welcome your actual participation, as us older drivers who have volunteered in that capacity for many decades, would like to step aside in response to your volunteer commitment and submission of new ideas and road safety initiatives.


    I.E. get your hands on experience of helping to save lives. It might be yours too, . I kind of like that Road safety video where a person is asked what is an acceptable annual road toll, and he is happy with a number suggested till he is visually confronted with his relatives and friends making up his chosen number, that he then amends to zero once that realisation hits home.


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    What an amazing coincidence! I'd say that in the 56 years I've been licenced to be on the road I noticed that the driver quality really started to slump 18 years ago................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    What an amazing coincidence! I'd say that in the 56 years I've been licenced to be on the road I noticed that the driver quality really started to slump 18 years ago................
    ha ha Kim

    I can just about pin point the slump in driver quality at least in Victoria, and I need not name the government involved, but they decided in their wisdom that everyone was entitled to get a driver's, licence, all you had to do was to circle a multiple choice answer and not fail the most rudimentary test, that phase, only went on for a few years and the effect was seen on the roads, some called it the wheetie packet licence syndrome period. The poor things need a licence to get a job and socialise and should not be denied..


    Since then it has swung back and forth from somewhat stricter to the present requirement of learners achieving mandated hours of driving in all sorts of conditions and a much more intensive education style indoctrination with the input arising from consultation and involvement of driving schools to work with the community to turn out better more prepared drivers. I think I have seen it all, including the skid pans, advanced driving skills some say were experiments resulting in over confidence and under-maturity.


    What does seem to work is the one on one sessions where emphasis is put on courtesy and consideration to other drivers on the road and development of skills to avoid rather than confront or demand individual rights. With the advent of in car video recorders, one can see for themselves there are those that never learn any basic skill or courtesy to others and also those that use motor cars as mobile weapons, watch those videos and you will see what I mean.


    With experience and maturity driving attitudes change, but sometimes like the Road Safety number game TV advert, some need to have the shock of realisation that bad driving and lack of courtesy can lead to their close family being represented as a statistic, so it is them not the "others" that needs to modify their driving.


    The catch word these days is for certain classes of driver's to be "over represented" in the statistical analysis that seems fixated on fatalities only, rather than, the many injuries and disabilities that have such a long lasting impact upon all of us.


    Maybe some need a horse's head award, a nose bag of feed for a reminder which end should talk and which end talks shite on the humble horse. before revealing their lack of any basic understanding or experience, but then I would be insulting and gross, in pointing that out, and that is not constructive, when you are trying instill skills and save lives.


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    Hi,
    so when was this "weetie pack syndrome" a problem?
    I suppose there are statistics to back up the idea?

    In all other states, road accident and death rates have been in steady decline for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post
    ha ha Kim

    I can just about pin point the slump in driver quality at least in Victoria, and I need not name the government involved, but they decided in their wisdom that everyone was entitled to get a driver's, licence, all you had to do was to circle a multiple choice answer and not fail the most rudimentary test, that phase, only went on for a few years and the effect was seen on the roads, some called it the wheetie packet licence syndrome period. The poor things need a licence to get a job and socialise and should not be denied..


    Since then it has swung back and forth from somewhat stricter to the present requirement of learners achieving mandated hours of driving in all sorts of conditions and a much more intensive education style indoctrination with the input arising from consultation and involvement of driving schools to work with the community to turn out better more prepared drivers. I think I have seen it all, including the skid pans, advanced driving skills some say were experiments resulting in over confidence and under-maturity.


    What does seem to work is the one on one sessions where emphasis is put on courtesy and consideration to other drivers on the road and development of skills to avoid rather than confront or demand individual rights. With the advent of in car video recorders, one can see for themselves there are those that never learn any basic skill or courtesy to others and also those that use motor cars as mobile weapons, watch those videos and you will see what I mean.


    With experience and maturity driving attitudes change, but sometimes like the Road Safety number game TV advert, some need to have the shock of realisation that bad driving and lack of courtesy can lead to their close family being represented as a statistic, so it is them not the "others" that needs to modify their driving.


    The catch word these days is for certain classes of driver's to be "over represented" in the statistical analysis that seems fixated on fatalities only, rather than, the many injuries and disabilities that have such a long lasting impact upon all of us.


    Maybe some need a horse's head award, a nose bag of feed for a reminder which end should talk and which end talks shite on the humble horse. before revealing their lack of any basic understanding or experience, but then I would be insulting and gross, in pointing that out, and that is not constructive, when you are trying instill skills and save lives.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post
    ha ha Kim

    I can just about pin point the slump in driver quality at least in Victoria, and I need not name the government involved, but they decided in their wisdom that everyone was entitled to get a driver's, licence, all you had to do was to circle a multiple choice answer and not fail the most rudimentary test, that phase, only went on for a few years and the effect was seen on the roads, some called it the wheetie packet licence syndrome period. The poor things need a licence to get a job and socialise and should not be denied..


    Since then it has swung back and forth from somewhat stricter to the present requirement of learners achieving mandated hours of driving in all sorts of conditions and a much more intensive education style indoctrination with the input arising from consultation and involvement of driving schools to work with the community to turn out better more prepared drivers. I think I have seen it all, including the skid pans, advanced driving skills some say were experiments resulting in over confidence and under-maturity.


    What does seem to work is the one on one sessions where emphasis is put on courtesy and consideration to other drivers on the road and development of skills to avoid rather than confront or demand individual rights. With the advent of in car video recorders, one can see for themselves there are those that never learn any basic skill or courtesy to others and also those that use motor cars as mobile weapons, watch those videos and you will see what I mean.


    With experience and maturity driving attitudes change, but sometimes like the Road Safety number game TV advert, some need to have the shock of realisation that bad driving and lack of courtesy can lead to their close family being represented as a statistic, so it is them not the "others" that needs to modify their driving.


    The catch word these days is for certain classes of driver's to be "over represented" in the statistical analysis that seems fixated on fatalities only, rather than, the many injuries and disabilities that have such a long lasting impact upon all of us.


    Maybe some need a horse's head award, a nose bag of feed for a reminder which end should talk and which end talks shite on the humble horse. before revealing their lack of any basic understanding or experience, but then I would be insulting and gross, in pointing that out, and that is not constructive, when you are trying instill skills and save lives.


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