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    Currently own all 3. I've bought Pug and Reno new, but never bought a new Citroen, although the C3 looks appealing. Tried to buy a new GP a few years back but the dealer really wasn't interested in selling me one. Been happy with cars from both manufacturers - PSA and Reno.

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    Recent purchase of a C4 2litre turbo diesel has put a large smile on my face;a very under rated car and truly wonder why the roads are not full of them,Andy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhantos View Post
    Recent purchase of a C4 2litre turbo diesel has put a large smile on my face;a very under rated car and truly wonder why the roads are not full of them,Andy.
    Fear. It's a Citroen and no mechanic will touch it.
    Fear. It has that weird suspension (which it doesn't).
    Fear. It is French and no one can pronounce its name correctly
    Fear. My friends (who have never even sat in a French car, let alone own one) told me not to touch anything French as it will always be at the mechanics getting fixed
    Fear. See above. "The resale will wipe you out as no one wants to buy a used 'Shitron'"
    Cost. The Australian distributors sold it at a premium price which made it uncompetitive.

    But I agree with your post entirely. Fiat made the same mistake with the 500

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    C4 2litre turbo diesel

    Yes.
    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    sold ..... D Special 1974 ... to fellow Tassie AFer.
    sold ..... Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    sold .....GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    sold .... 1986 2CV6

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23 1973 Pallas
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68 404 View Post
    Fear. It's a Citroen and no mechanic will touch it.
    Fear. It has that weird suspension (which it doesn't).
    Fear. It is French and no one can pronounce its name correctly
    Fear. My friends (who have never even sat in a French car, let alone own one) told me not to touch anything French as it will always be at the mechanics getting fixed
    Fear. See above. "The resale will wipe you out as no one wants to buy a used 'Shitron'"
    Cost. The Australian distributors sold it at a premium price which made it uncompetitive.

    But I agree with your post entirely. Fiat made the same mistake with the 500

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    Tell your friends never to fly on an Airbus aircraft, drink French wine, wear French clothes, use French perfume or use French letters. How many kids do they have?

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    Hmm, all 3 here Pug 504 R19, Laguna C4, The C4 was a great find, so cheap and comfortable but just not big enough, now a late C5 diesel wagon would be much better.
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    If they don''t use French letters they'll end up with the French pox, so the French win either way

    Zere ees no escape

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    Tell your friends never to fly on an Airbus aircraft, drink French wine, wear French clothes, use French perfume or use French letters. How many kids do they have?

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    C5 diesel wagon


    my current
    weapon of choice, (albeit a bit large for this one person household), 2005 version.

    I drove a 2.0 X7, didn't have the grunt of the 2.2l
    I drove a 2.7l X7. Plenty of grunt!


    I kinda prefer the steering in mine, tho.
    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    sold ..... D Special 1974 ... to fellow Tassie AFer.
    sold ..... Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    sold .....GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    sold .... 1986 2CV6

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23 1973 Pallas
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Watkins View Post
    If they don''t use French letters they'll end up with the French pox, so the French win either way

    Zere ees no escape

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    The French don't use "French letters", They use a "Capot Anglais" et alors........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    You probably would have liked the Picasso for space and ease of entry.


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    Citroen DS's are the easiest to get in and out of .... I strongly suggest buying a proper car ..... The CX sucks eggs for "mobility comprimised" people. Don't even try one ... You need to "fall in" then "climb out".

    Modern cars are so tedious and soulless.

    Er .... Did someone here say C4's were comfortable ..... Wow .... Do they usually drive heavy rigid trucks .... Maybe live axle 40 year old 4wds

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    For several decades the French factories were behind the Japanese in terms of build quality and product reliability. There are many management reports discussing the need to redress the situation. Today they are probably close to their target, which is a moving one anyway. This IMHO is one of the reasons why French cars are rubbished here as unreliable. Another one is the shortage of factory trained mechanics on what often seemed unconventional or quirky engineering. The third was the narrow parts supply chain in contrast to those brands made in Australia with their local suppliers. Yet another was the decision to use special oils and fluids to manufacturers' specs and not industry standards, to enable them to get longer service periods and better lubrication. A constraint largeLY ignored by all garages except a few serious dealers and which would have shortened AL4 and diesel engine life.
    Most of this has been overcome, although the new Inchape dealer network is apparently light on for trained CitroŽn mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyk View Post
    C5 diesel wagon


    my current
    weapon of choice, (albeit a bit large for this one person household), 2005 version.

    I drove a 2.0 X7, didn't have the grunt of the 2.2l
    I drove a 2.7l X7. Plenty of grunt!


    I kinda prefer the steering in mine, tho.
    I am presently driving my 2003 C5 Hdi for its luggage capacity with the rear seats folded down, a Mazda 6 for drive and arrive daily tasks and a Panhard 24CT for fun, bravery and the amusement of the crowd at my gymnasic efforts to get out of the low beast..
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    Drove c4 from Brisbane to Sydney;75 bucks in fuel and it flies. Certainly not as comfortable as the cx or d but can't complain Shane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alhantos View Post
    Drove c4 from Brisbane to Sydney;75 bucks in fuel and it flies. Certainly not as comfortable as the cx or d but can't complain Shane.
    Interesting
    How was coarse chip bitumen noise and wind too, seeing itís so light?.


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    A very quiet car;sat in 6th most of the way,Andy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    The French don't use "French letters", They use a "Capot Anglais" et alors........

    Which reminds me of the old joke about an English widower trying to explain to his French friend his way of honouring his dead wife (which included wearing a black hat, or chapeau noir). Regrettably, his French wasn't up to the task & he said 'capot noir' to which his interlocutor nodded approvingly, observing: 'tres delicatesse'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alhantos View Post
    A very quiet car;sat in 6th most of the way,Andy.
    The Picasso and the Cactus must have good aero efficiency.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    Interesting
    How was coarse chip bitumen noise and wind too, seeing it’s so light?.


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    Wind noise in the one we had was good ... (as in there was little to none). On course roads it was VERY loud with tyre noise. Especially from the back. In a CX you'd be rushing home to change the wheel bearings if you heard a sound like it. I'm pretty sure almost all small cars in its class would be the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Wind noise in the one we had was good ... (as in there was little to none). On course roads it was VERY loud with tyre noise. Especially from the back. In a CX you'd be rushing home to change the wheel bearings if you heard a sound like it. I'm pretty sure almost all small cars in its class would be the same.

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    Yes, our coarse chip bitumen is a unique challenge which is not helped when weight reduction in pursuit of low emissions/economy is such a priority these days. The old black mastic in particular was plentiful on old cars. Our little Astra seems pretty good in that regard due to significant Aussie input.


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