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    Default To 205 or not to 205...that is the question!

    A bit of a hypothetical that may or may not come to anything.
    We have a BX 16V that was a burn out victim sitting in our backyard. One of my sons has it in his head he may turn this into a track car; well, that was the reason he bought it anyway.
    The thing is, it may be a better proposition simply dropping the guts of it into a 205 & using that as a track car as the BX is a declared Statutory write off so can never be re-registered but as the 205 GTi seems to have almost cult status & therefore a sometimes ridiculously high resale even after a bingle is it a proposition to buy say an Si and do the conversion that way instead.
    Being a died in the wood Citnut, I prefer the idea of the BX getting the full treatment as I reckon the suspension options using stiffer sway bars & fiddling with spheres offers a much better and wider range of options for various track conditions but what is the difference between the GTi & Si as regards set up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    but what is the difference between the GTi & Si as regards set up?

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    Completely different wishbone arrangement. Guards are different too. If you're going to go fast, look for a GTi.

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    Thanks Peter; that's fair enough, that answers the question.

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    I've got a very straight and clean 87 GTi rolling shell just crying out for a 16v conversion, even have a disc rear end and power steer setup for it. The battery has even been moved into the boot ready to complete the conversion.........
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    The SI however with the 16v lump in it would be a great track weapon IMO as it is lighter than a Gti...also would be a great sleeper too !!
    The Si handles very well and with a few gti bits [sway bars etc ] could nearly be the equivalent IMO
    They are also cheaper to buy considering you are getting a later car EG;
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr20516v
    The SI however with the 16v lump in it would be a great track weapon IMO as it is lighter than a Gti...also would be a great sleeper too !!
    The Si handles very well and with a few gti bits [sway bars etc ] could nearly be the equivalent IMO
    They are also cheaper to buy considering you are getting a later car EG;
    1992 Si for $4-$6k 1992 gti $6k+

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    The SI sway bar is bigger than the GTIs, because of the stiffer springs in the GTI.
    I would say that it wouldn't be hard to install a GTI cross member and suspension parts. You would need to uprate the rear torsion bars also, although the SI rear suspension ride-wise is superb.
    I have 14 inch 405 rims on my SI and there is plenty of clearance. The car handles exceptionally well by the way, and would be better than a GTI on gravel.
    However, if you want to use it on the racetrack the GTI setup is the way to go.

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    Graham the GTI and Si had the same rear end trailing arm set up no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca
    Graham the GTI and Si had the same rear end trailing arm set up no?
    Yes, but definitely softer spring rates.
    I don't know about the situation regarding sway bars, can anyone shed light on this?
    My car rolls a bit at the rear, but I also think the torsion bars are set a little high, I'll look into this after I fit the Quaife Diff, this is happening next Monday.

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    Dare to be different... go with the BX and see if you can show some of the 205 guys skills they don't have.

    As for resale value, are you building it for yourself or to resell? And what if it gets totalled on the track? Which would be the greater loss?

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    The BX being not registerable leaves you with the hassle of trailers and tow vehicle for the occasional fun day. Much better a 205GTI (Matts possibly) that can be used between track days and such, and negates the expense of a trailer.
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