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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    Dealer capped servicing is expensive and beyond most people's pockets. Running cars isn't cheap, and rego/insurance/fuel come first. A Sydney mortgage would help anyone understand what drives home servicing.

    A routine service usually takes under $100 in supplies and an hour or so in labour. I did one last week, and I'm an old [email protected]#. That included a general check over while the vehicle was on ramps, over and above a recent roadworthy hoisting

    I dropped in at the local recycling place recently, and you should have seen the binned 5L used oil containers, and this in a very high value area. DIY. Trade waste is not accepted.
    That depends very much on the marque . A Toyota Camry costs around $200 per service for the first 5 years.
    And most people would factor that into their budget as par for the course.

    For those that feel that is unreasonable, there is always DIY.

    Most pay happily, since the dealer lets them wait the 45 mins while the car is serviced. My son earns more money working, than the to and from times and service costs combined, so it is cost effective. I take his car to the dealer.

    Not everyone wants to climb under cars And when/if there serious the issues warranty can be invalidated if a DIYer does the service.

    Not to forget the included GPS and vehicle ECU updates which are included in the service.

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    Not so lucky with the 45 minute wait for the oil change (12 monthly service ) on the Megane. Just booked it in today and they want it for one full day. Since there is a slight weeping from the timing 'chain' gasket discovered by them 12 months ago, they want the car for two days. I looked at the weep (you have to take some plastic off to see it) and it is so minor that i wouldn't worry about it if it wasn't covered under warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo View Post
    Not so lucky with the 45 minute wait for the oil change (12 monthly service ) on the Megane. Just booked it in today and they want it for one full day. Since there is a slight weeping from the timing 'chain' gasket discovered by them 12 months ago, they want the car for two days. I looked at the weep (you have to take some plastic off to see it) and it is so minor that i wouldn't worry about it if it wasn't covered under warranty.
    The only warranty issue Paul has had was with a driver's side window track.

    The dealer booked it in for special service a week later and sorted while I waited (around 1.5 hours). I watched the the Toyota technician though the viewing window in the customer lounge.

    The door was fully masked up before the job started.

    While you wait servicing is just part of giving the customer a good "experience" and shows that an organized dealer who is aware of customer relations in valuing the customer's time.

    I went through the same deal with Skoda: they gave me a late model Octavia Rs out of their used car pool to drive whilst the car was being serviced. And asked me the time I wanted to pick it up. Common sense to show respect for the customer.

    And Vga (vw group australia) emailed a "service survey" the same day to see how I felt about the treatment.

    KPI s or not it makes you feel wanted and valued and not just part of the sausage factory service routine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    A 12 year car would send most car owners broke.
    Gee, there might be some going broke in Tasmania! 9309.0 - Motor Vehicle Census, Australia, 31 Jan 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnbull151 View Post
    Gee, there might be some going broke in Tasmania! 9309.0 - Motor Vehicle Census, Australia, 31 Jan 2017

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    Or maybe just many people driving poorly maintained sh!tters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    A 12 year car would send most car owners broke.

    And not everyone has the capability nor desire to be under cars during their leisure time.

    I'm 65 with a chronic illness and this has largely removed my interest in doing major maintenance on cars.

    I wouldn't think I'm alone in this regard.
    My wife's 1995 Xantia, now 22 years old, cost $2000 in 2009. Speedo had clocked 100,000 kms. Spent $1000 to renew all 8 spheres, rear arm bearings and four new tyres. Car was rear ended. Other guys insurance paid $4000. I spent $1100 for used hatch and rear bumper. Complete car was panel-beated and resprayed, fixing the accident damage and existing damage (causing low buying price). Car insured for $6000 agreed value with Shannons. It has now clocked 200,000.

    My 2CV daily driver was built in 1986, so it is now 31 years old. Draws a crowd where ever it goes, most remarking on the good paintwork (1995 respray in Glasurit two-pack).

    I do most of the servicing for next to nothing. The only new car I have ever owned was a VW Beetle. It was trashed after two years. In relative terms the most expensive car I ever owned.

    In my experience, new cars are a great way to lose money. Unpopular Citroens bought second hand can preserve your capital but are a great way to lose your patience.

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    I agree that the fine balance is "depreciation costs versus maintenance costs."

    The more robust old(er) cars can be surprisingly cheap to run.

    I bought the C5 with about 240,000km on the clock, and I knew when I bought it what needed to be done up front.
    It was an "inexpensive" purchase, and even with the immediate upfront maintenance costs paid, it was lower than market value.

    Over the years, it has been pretty cheap to keep running (touch wood).
    Doesn't go to any of the "big" dealerships for maintenance items.

    This was pretty much the basis of the OP ...
    Your thoughts on other (depreciated) marques + models that have a good chance of lowish ownership costs
    and a good vibe! Old Jags are traditionally money pits and endless breakdowns. "Selected" Citroens are reasonable.

    Older Benzes have a mixed reputation, with some of the "S" class versions being expensive to maintain versus the lesser specified models. AL4s are no-go territory, etc.

    I've only ever owned one new Citroen (and my ex also had a new one, um, C5/AL4 box amongst other problems).
    I can't see myself owning a new one now, (even if I knew which one ....)

    Some of the Citroens were, say around $50k new, and now clock in at $2,000 - $4,000.
    The "E" class Benzes were about $120k+ and clock in now at, say, $4,000 - $10,000.

    You'd be spending a lot of cash in maintenance to cover that sort of territory.
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    At the end of the day, cars are very much like women. What appeals to one will not necessarily appeal to another. If you are happy with them, cost and upkeep is not so much of a problem. They always look better in the showroom when you make your decision but deteriorate over time. Both benefit from regular servicing, but depending upon make and model, some require more money to upkeep than others. Some are kept forever whilst others are traded in for a different model.

    Either way, the pleasure versus pain of ownership conundrum crops up from time to time. The masochists amongst us never learn from their mistakes, but repeat the same mistakes. For those we have clubs. Car clubs for motorists, social clubs serving alcohol for the womanisers. Old age cures both with the "double L" cure - loss of licence or loss of libido.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyk View Post

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    Two Prius questions/observations:

    a) not exactly pretty cars!

    b) "it is said" that electric cars that are nearing the end of the battery life cycle will be expensive if new batteries are needed.
    But I have no direct knowledge about this.

    It certainly seems that all-electric cars in Oz are somewhat problematic for long drives, so hybrids are probably a better option in the current technology. (Apology for the pun).
    Are you looking at the facelifted second generation? I think they are prettier than most euro cars, but that may be an acquired taste.

    As for end of life, I have been in taxis still on the first battery at 750k km and almost 8 years of life. I have also seen a lot of cars more than 10 years old still on the original battery at 200k+ km (I was looking to buy one but couldn't find one cheap enough for me on this side of the Nullarbor - with your budget over there you can land a really good one). Still going strong. Is your engine going to last that much/have you ever had a car you kept for 750k km?

    And let's say you need a new battery. How much is that ? I mean new-new, let's pretend you can't get a s/h from a recently crashed near-new car. So you're up for what? 5K? After 8 years or more? Alright. But you didn't have to change any clutch (how many would you have changed in that time?), you didn't have any gearbox headaches, and you can change your own battery if you want. I think you're still ahead.
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