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    Hi,
    I am new to french cars, but I am interested in buying a 205 GTI or 306 S16 in the near future. There is a 1993 205 GTI S3 model with 152,000Kms for sale that I am interested in, but not being familiar with the model/make I am curious to know how important a known service history is? I would have the car pre-inspected by a recommended Peugeot specialist, but this car has missing service books which for other makes I have bought is a big concern. According to the seller they were stolen because the car was broken in to.

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    If i was a theif the first thing i'd steal was a set of log books... *lol*
    sounds very dodgy!

    I'd recomend:
    * Speak to the owner, see if they're a rev head, ask "does it fly mate!!!"
    * look in the engine bay, see how clean it is
    * ask the owner about car care products & oils, if they say "whatever my mechanic puts in" ask which mechanic!
    * Check all fluids, see how clean they are
    * Check all the lil rubber seals & bits & pieces to see how clean & how well looked after it is.

    Good Luck!

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    On any 11 year old car, service history is everything (except if they were asking $1000 for a 205GTI of course).

    Cooling system maintenance is probably the most important thing to look for, along with regular oil changes. Any 205GTI or 306 S16 is going to have been driven hard, but the question is how hard.

    With all 306's, cam belts MUST be changed every 80 000km, so that's one thing to check. If a 306 S16 had say 120 000km on it, with no evidence of the cam belt being changed, walk away, because whoever has maintained it hasn't done a thorough job. I'm not sure about 205 motors, but they're probably pretty similar with respect to the cam belt.

    Happy hunting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz
    According to the seller they were stolen because the car was broken in to.

    Any advice?
    Bollocks. Why would anyone want to steal log books??

    I'd say the owner might well be trying to cover something up, why are they selling anyway?

    I'd be asking where they have been servicing it and then pop in and ask the mechanics what its like.

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    Ps both cars are great fun but my pick would be the 306 with a little more refinment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz
    According to the seller they were stolen because the car was broken in to.

    Any advice?
    Yeah,

    Try not to laugh when he tells you that one!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    Yeah,

    Try not to laugh when he tells you that one!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowley
    You queenslanders are so cynical!
    Fair go; I was only saying what you guys were hinting at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    Fair go; I was only saying what you guys were hinting at.


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    My apologies, perhaps we southeners are too restrait in our implications. buyer beware! if something smells fishy it usually is!

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    geez....guys....i disagree.....
    u dont even know the price of the 205......it is a 93....and quoted milage sounds about right.....SO WHAT IF THE LOG BOOKS ARE MISSING....big deal....if the car is in good mechanical nick and if the price is right...i d say :GO FOR IT.....

    my 88 205 gti has 260K+ on the clock.....original books show service history to 160+...after that its just paperwork.....doesn t really mean much....the fact that it has 260K on the clock doesn t mean its a crap car....still in better mech. condition than some 5 year old commodores....

    Either way the pug u r looking at would be up for a cam belt soon anyway....so...YEs a major service would more than likely be on the way....wether the car had books or not.....
    Sure....having service books is nice (especially when it comes time to sell)....but lack of them shouldn t stop u buying (what could be) a good car....


    cheers
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    PS.....and yes service books do get stolen.....i worked at fowles at one stage....and they were being nicked regularly....(probably by the many dealers attending)....

    PPS....maybe log in under a different name...and start a thread about how u heard somewher how CRAP the 205 engines are....or even the mi16 donks....
    will probably be shot down by about 100 replys.....
    geez...if they were good enough for citroen.....

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    Thanks for all the helpful responses.
    It seems like a good deal (seller is asking $8900 BTW) but I am aware that condition is everything with these cars.
    I'll get an inspection done and see how it comes through.
    Any recommendations on a good Peugeot shop that will catch any expensive hidden issues in a 205 gti?

    Thanks again, great forum guys.

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    If you look at an S16, it will probably have done 120-160kms ish....so in addition to the cambelt, ask the following questions:

    when were the brake rotors last replaced? (they generally go through a set about every 30k. if they've been replaced with factory spec aftermarkets it's probably a good thing)

    Have the coil packs all been replaced? (each cylinder has an ignition coil, and they usually crap-out at around 100k, cost about $180-200 each to replace)

    Has the drivers door regulatror been replaced? (they nearly all crap themselves, and cost about $400 to replace.

    These are all 'standard' maintenance items that most S16's need, and if the previous owner has done them all you might save a few bucks. Will also be a good indication of how much interest the owner has taken in the care of the car.

    Damien

    PS: I'm an S16 owner - though its for sale, there's a post in the for sale thread.

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