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    At the recent car festival in Melbourne, there was a Michelin tyres stand staffed by a young guy from head office.

    I asked about some obsolete tyres for my traction and DS, i.e. 164x400 and 185/15. To his credit he knew what I was talking about, but said that among the several thousand tyres that Michelin imports every year, these and other low volume tyres are not worth the trouble it takes to supply them. He suggested that other people are importing them privately.

    I thought this was a poor attitude on the part of Michelin Australia. for the past 20 years I have been a loyal Michelin customer, even putting Michelins on my wifes work Camry a year or two ago.

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    My next tyre purchase will be for the BX i bought recently, the guy at the French Car Festival ssaid they were available at 130 or 140 each.

    Now I'm wondering if given Michelin Australias poor attitude towards tyres that are hard to get, maybe it is time to go elsewhere for BX tyres.

    Anyone have a comment to add ?

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    new michelins are overpriced. The competition is every bit as good and cheaper ....

    I'd probably put Dunlops or Simex's or something like that under my cars given a choice.

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    I put Falkens on my Trs when I had it & they were 500% better tyre than Michies & 2/3rds the price.
    I fitted 2 Falkens to the front of the 16V but these were directionals & were possibly about on par with Michies in some respects & better in others so I now run them on the back and have Dunlop LeMans A5s on the front & find that a top combination.
    One of my sons has Yokahamas on his 16V which are on par with Michies but cheaper whilst another had Michies on his TZi but intends changing them soon as they are wearing down, are noisy and aren't all that impressive performance wise.

    The Michies that fit an average BX are made in Thailand or Chile or somewhere "banana republic" type of destination & will cost at least $185 a tyre. The Falkens are made in Japan and are much quieter & equal in ride & performance and will cost anything from $115 to $135 depending on style to suit whilst the Dunlops come in at around $130.
    If the car is being used as a shopping trolley/commuter I'd also be having a look at the Bob Janes All Rounders. Everybody laughs when I say this but they are by far the best tyre I've ever had on a CX but I don't know how they'll perform on a BX but at $79 a pop have to be worth a try. A mate of mine recently fitted them to his CX (after much hilarity) and he now is also over the moon at the way the car has been transformed by these supposedly "cheapjack" tyres.
    Incidentally, he had previously had Michies on the car which says heaps for the modern Michelin tyre and its lack of value these days. I'm afraid that the 'good old days' of Michelins being a tyre for French cars seems to have long passed & today it seems their greatest claim to fame (and their target market) seems to be as a specialised tyre on Korean throwaways to make them handle & ride in an acceptable manner and in a market where they can hold a monopoly unless owners are happy to compromise performance for price; sad really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petermelb
    At the recent car festival in Melbourne, there was a Michelin tyres stand staffed by a young guy from head office.

    I asked about some obsolete tyres for my traction and DS, i.e. 164x400 and 185/15. To his credit he knew what I was talking about, but said that among the several thousand tyres that Michelin imports every year, these and other low volume tyres are not worth the trouble it takes to supply them. He suggested that other people are importing them privately.

    I thought this was a poor attitude on the part of Michelin Australia. for the past 20 years I have been a loyal Michelin customer, even putting Michelins on my wifes work Camry a year or two ago.

    My next tyre purchase will be for the BX i bought recently, the guy at the French Car Festival ssaid they were available at 130 or 140 each.

    Now I'm wondering if given Michelin Australias poor attitude towards tyres that are hard to get, maybe it is time to go elsewhere for BX tyres.

    Anyone have a comment to add ?
    I can never understand why some people (usually French car drivers from experience) tie themselves to a particular brand of tyre. Is it just lack of education about what else is out there? Surely with the plethora of tyre tests and reviews in the various car mags over the years it has become quite obvious that buying a 'brand' doesn't guarantee you of anything these days. Frankly my worst tyre experiences have been on Michelins - my recent best on Falken and Pirelli. Have a read of some of the (objective) mag reviews and check out what the current tyre choices are - at least for the BX. If you've only ever bought Michelins based on brand for the BX you'll really have your eyes opened about what a decent set of tyres can do for it.

    In the same breath though, Preceda's have won recent aclaim from the reviewers, and will be going onto the Pug next.

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    Some good news I discovered from the Michelin rep at the FCD was the Certis has been replaced!!!

    It's been replaced by a new variant of the Michelin Energy range.

    He was quite knowledgeable about the tyres - from a technical perspective it was quite interesting.

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    i haven't bought michelin tyres for a car since 1989 and the last car i had some on were in 1996/97 but were replaced not long afterwards

    there are much better out there and for better $$'s as well than michelin tyres

    in saying that though all brands have their not so good tyres but at the end of the day it comes down to how much money you want to part with and what you want from a tyre

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    I use Michelin on the XM and love the MXV8 energy (H rated) I have on. Even got two for Deb's Magna recently.

    This whole thread reeks of deja vu. Please use the search function to go over the myriad arguments we have had on tyres. You'll see the regular combatants at each other's throats - yes me included.
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    Apologies Craig if this thread seems like de ju vu, I started it to comment of the poor attitude of the Michelin company to supplying Traction and DS tyres (and other hard to get tyre sizes) rather than debating the merits of X tyre against Y tyre.

    I found the comment above interestrng, that french car enthusiasts need educating about the different tyres that are available.

    Maybe it is a need to let go on my part of the idea that Citroens are built for Michelin tyres, perhaps this is a myth perpetuated by Micjelin to sell more tyres to gullable car owners. Certainly the lack of loyalty shown by Michelin has caused me to rethink the whole tyre scenario, and open my eyes to other alternatives, even going as far as buying something else to spite Michelin.

    I now have the luxury of having 15 inch rims on my traction and early D, so a whole new world of tyres awaits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO
    I use Michelin on the XM and love the MXV8 energy (H rated) I have on. Even got two for Deb's Magna recently.

    This whole thread reeks of deja vu. Please use the search function to go over the myriad arguments we have had on tyres. You'll see the regular combatants at each other's throats - yes me included.
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    and.....................Michelin used to make good tyres at a reasonable price; amazing how things change hey??



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    The last set of michies I bought were 165 x 400mm for my traction. Michelin 'X' tires to be exact. There great

    There previous were about 10years ago, michies in the correct size for my CX. They were utter crap, next michies I drove on was my brothers fuego with TRX's on it. To define 'utterly disgusting' try these horrid TRX's on a damp road

    Finally 2years ago I got some michies for the BX. Very, very mediocre, not terrible but certainly not worth a cent more than there competition.

    Basically I wouldn't bother buying michelins ever again unless they were from the classic range to fit a classic car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    Brittania used to rule the waves.
    People thought the Earth was flat.
    Trains were referred to as "Iron Horses"
    and.....................Michelin used to make good tyres at a reasonable price; amazing how things change hey??



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    My worth....

    145/15 Michelins for the GS = $325.00 and anything up to a six month wait...
    x 4 = $1,300.00!!!

    155/15 Vredestein Sprint Classics = $120.00 each and overnight delivery from Vintage Tyre Supplies.
    x 4 = $480.00!!!!! and 5 minutes to adjust the rear bumper returns so that they don't foul the rear tyres (remembber going from 145 to 155 increases the overall diameter and reduces running clearences but there isn't a hell of a lot of spare space in a rear GS wheel arch anyway....)

    When the cost of "original" tyres becomes equal to or a big chunk of the value of the vehicle you need to reassess their value...!!!

    and the cheaper tyres are still European... and perform brilliantly on a GS...

    Let's also understand that tyre choice should be in proportion to how a car is driven, it's environment and intended use.

    Under these circumstances would Bob Jane All Rounders at half the price of Michelins be half as good...I think not.... and in normal driving would you have a noticable degradation in safety / performance / etc etc...??? I doubt it...

    Driven by $$'s and timing (last Christmas) I was froced to compromise on tyres for my partners Volvo 850R Wagon ... which can be driven quite briskly being a 20Valve Turbo and ran Dunlop FM901's which I still believe are one of the best value performance tyres ever... The local Bob Jane man convinced me to try Nankang EX500's (we're talking a 225/55/16 V rated directional tyre) at HALF the price of Dunlops and the only reason I agreed was because I was offered a money back guarantee within the first 500k's on an alternative purchase from them if I wasn't happy... fair deal me thinks ...given there's no spare $$$ at Xmas time!!!

    Now everthing I read (and was told) locally about this brand told me to STAY AWAY... absolute sh!t ....there were some positive reports on UK websites and in some US consumer magazines...but more importantly some excellent feedback from CONSUMERS using these tyres on their cars every day in normal driving including some on European Frog sites (ie enthusiasts!) so given that $$'s were the compromise driver and with the gurantee boosting my faith in the product I went with them...

    That was December and 5 months and 10,000k's later all I can say is I will be buying them again...without a second thought...because tyre choice should be about the value / compromise of cost v's performance given the way the car is driven / used.

    I think we've become tyre snobs to the benefit of the spin doctoring tyre companies and the detriment of our wallets...!!!

    Find a well informed ...knowledgable tyre specialist, access the wealth of information around the world that the internet has enabled us to do so easily... and ask the question... of the retailer.. "if I'm not happy with these what are my options.. what is your position...?" and then make a decision...

    I remember choosing a set of tyres for my first new car...a Mazda 626 Turbo Hatch and buying a set of "Ohtsu" Velunga's much to the disgust of all the tyre experts around at the time... who were laughing at the Jap Crap I bought as opposed to BF Goodrich, Firestone, Dunlop, Goodyear etc etc... my point.... Ohtsu got the marketing people in... rebranded their passenger tyre range and called it Falken... and now people think they are one of the best tyres in the world... go figure...!!!

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    Hi Jack,

    Apparently Nankang are making a tyre to fit the GS now. I have not seen them, but I have seen their 2CV ones - they look awfully like a Michelin XZX clone! At about 1/2 the price of the real thing!

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    Paul,

    The closest size they list is a 165/15/80 in an N-812 series (see attached for tread pattern) you'd know what patern this is a copy of better then anyone!

    They also do a 155/12/80 and 165/14/80 in their N-809 series also attached pic.

    I've seen the N-812's for anything between $58.00 and $79.00 compared to a 155/15/82 series Vredestein sprint classic at $120.00 and impossible to source Michelin 145/15 at over $320.00.....

    Bob Jane who sell a lot of Nankang tell me they can order a 155/15/80 series but I have not taken this further and I have no idea if a 165/15 or 165/14 even would fit on a GS but at these prices perhaps it would make sense to get some rims made up /cut down to make use of say a 165/14/80 or is that just not possible...??

    These are distributed by State Tyre Sales who also distribute Sime Tyres in
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    I have just got off the phone with a price on tyres for the 5CV and "No Name" ones made in Vietnam were only $590.00......each! You guys think you've got problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Z
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    145/15 Michelins for the GS = $325.00 and anything up to a six month wait...
    x 4 = $1,300.00!!!
    Jack - I just got 145/15 Michelins for the GS for $125 each and 3 months wait. That was from QuickFit tyre service in Newmarket, Brisbane. $325.00 each? Somone's pullin' yer pud mate.

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    I have put Nankang tyres on my Renault 16. Michelin are no longer importing 155 R14s. Nankang were the only brand I could find offering a 155 size. I have only had them on the car for a few weeks now, but I am pretty happy with them so far.
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    wow Mark, thats incredible, must be the most expensive tyre in the world on the ammount of rubber you get for your dollar. Just shows what lack of competition will do, Vintage Tyres just about dictate their own terms.

    Have you investigated the price of tyres in the UK ? I know a possible freight option.

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    'I found the comment above interestrng, that french car enthusiasts need educating about the different tyres that are available.'

    I don't think it was meant that french car enthusiasts are ignorant, it's just that traditionally owners of these vehicles are conservative (more so than others but not completely). They (we) tend to stick with the factory and michelin being a french tyre manufacturer, french car manufacturers are likely to spec them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petermelb
    At the recent car festival in Melbourne, there was a Michelin tyres stand staffed by a young guy from head office.

    I asked about some obsolete tyres for my traction and DS, i.e. 164x400 and 185/15. To his credit he knew what I was talking about, but said that among the several thousand tyres that Michelin imports every year, these and other low volume tyres are not worth the trouble it takes to supply them. He suggested that other people are importing them privately.

    I thought this was a poor attitude on the part of Michelin Australia. for the past 20 years I have been a loyal Michelin customer, even putting Michelins on my wifes work Camry a year or two ago.

    My next tyre purchase will be for the BX i bought recently, the guy at the French Car Festival ssaid they were available at 130 or 140 each.

    Now I'm wondering if given Michelin Australias poor attitude towards tyres that are hard to get, maybe it is time to go elsewhere for BX tyres.

    Anyone have a comment to add ?
    I was reading a uk porsche mag last night where someone wrote in wanting to replace the tyres on their '72 911 2.4. The mag says (in respect of performance tyres) that michelin has just re-released the XWX 185/70 VR15 back into the market, which were the tyre of choice back in the early seventies (supposedly....bit before my time). It says they have the same tread pattern as before but with stiffer sidewalls for better performance. Not cheap though they say........150 pounds a corner. Classic car owners who want the original tyres will buy them anyway. Dont know if they are in aus though. Just thought Id mention it.
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    I phoned around to get an idea of what was available in 165 R15 for the Pug, and I could only find 4 brands available inHobart. There were Kumho and Hankook for around $90-95 ea, Toyo at $115 ea, and Michelin X for $125 ea.
    I am not a fan of Kumho or Hankook, especially Hankook tubes of which I have had about half a dozen failures in the past two years so I will go for Toyo or Michelin. I hav eheard good things about Toyo, so I might try those.
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