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    Default France investigating Renault for possible emissions fraud

    So they are having another go at this one.
    Personally, it doesnt sound like the French way to me.
    For my part the most interesting thing is that part of the investigation is 'whether they made merchandise dangerous for human health'. whatever that is supposed to mean it is blatantly obvious that a car which emits higher than spec emissions is nothing to do with the concept. sadly, even law enforcement has its own elements of abuse and fraud...

    that aside, you would think that if there was anything in this, it would have come to light earlier. i see Fiat is fielding the same sort of accusations about one of its motors.


    France investigating Renault for possible emissions fraud

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    Published Friday, January 13, 2017 2:35PM EST

    PARIS -- French authorities are investigating carmaker Renault for suspected fraud in its diesel emissions controls, denting the company's share price as the global fallout spreads from revelations of emissions cheating at Volkswagen.

    Renault insisted Friday that its cars are not equipped with pollution cheating software, and that the company complies with all French and European laws.
    Shares in partially state-owned Renault - one of France's leading manufacturers - dropped 4 percent Friday but later recovered to trade 1.6 percent lower at 84.91 euros.

    The Paris prosecutor's office said three investigating judges have opened a judicial inquiry into Renault's emissions controls practices and whether they "made merchandise dangerous for human health."
    The probe is based on an initial investigation by the Economy Ministry's fraud department, which handed its findings to prosecutors in November.

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    French authorities raided Renault company premises after Volkswagen was found to have used engine software to cheat on U.S. diesel emissions tests. Renault recalled 15,000 cars last year because they spewed out excessive levels of harmful gases, but the company insisted there was no intentional wrongdoing.
    Renault-Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn has said that despite the Volkswagen scandal, the company will continue developing diesel technology, particularly for SUVs and other high-end cars.

    In a statement Friday, Renault took note of the investigation but said its "vehicles are not equipped with cheating software affecting anti-pollution systems." It said the company supports European moves to toughen emissions testing and has taken steps to reduce its own cars' emissions over the past year.

    French prosecutors are carrying out a separate probe into Volkswagen's emissions practices in France.
    Tentacles of the Volkswagen scandal are continuing to reach across the industry more than a year later: The U.S. government accused Fiat Chrysler on Thursday of failing to disclose software in some vehicles that allows them to emit more pollution than allowed.

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    It must be easier to wring money out of an automaker in fines than it is to claw it out of the general population as taxes.....
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    for sure. stealing billions of shareholder wealth, in grossly excessive fines, has become a major source of government financing in recent years.

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    NOx emissions kill 10,000 Londoners annually.
    It's not a news item though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    NOx emissions kill 10,000 Londoners annually.
    It's not a news item though.


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    "Nevertheless, says the study's author Dr Heather Walton, there is still some uncertainty on exactly how many deaths can be attributed to the gas."

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2015...-of-london-fog

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    A bit like global warming........shall we just wait n see, nothing can go wrong.........


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    A bit like global warming........shall we just wait n see, nothing can go wrong.........


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    Don't be ridiculous everyone knows GW is all fakery, myth and flawed science.

    And also a taboo topic to mention and discuss of AF as well.

    Beware the grim reaper ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    A bit like global warming........shall we just wait n see, nothing can go wrong.........


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    Not at all, the effects are well known and understood. Your figure of 10,000 souls dying in London in one year is five hundred more than the study claimed for combined deaths from NO2 AND PM2.5 Particulates. If you want to wave figures around, please don't embellish them for effect!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Not at all, the effects are well known and understood. Your figure of 10,000 souls dying in London in one year is five hundred more than the study claimed for combined deaths from NO2 AND PM2.5 Particulates. If you want to wave figures around, please don't embellish them for effect!

    What figures "for effect"
    They aren't my figures , they are from Kings College London


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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Don't be ridiculous everyone knows GW is all fakery, myth and flawed science.

    And also a taboo topic to mention and discuss of AF as well.

    Beware the grim reaper ?
    Maybe the kids don't get the joke though?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    Maybe the kids don't get the joke though?


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    Yes I agree entirely, and sarcasm isn't always evident. However ROFL emoticon is a hint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Yes I agree entirely, and sarcasm isn't always evident. However ROFL emoticon is a hint.
    Yeah
    Never trust the qualified
    They make money. )))))))


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    Yeah
    Never trust the qualified
    They make money. )))))))


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    I'm tempted to comment, But to do so may lead to thread emasculation.

    However I'm 100 % in agreement.

    Which rare and is well worth fostering further.
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    Global warming is like a car with 200,000km thats never had the timing belt replaced. We know what can happen but we dont know if or when. Lets just hope the Earth has a non-interference design

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    What figures "for effect"
    They aren't my figures , they are from Kings College London

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    Maybe you didn't bother to read the link I posted!
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2015...-of-london-fog

    "The study, which was carried out for Transport for London by Kings College London’s Environmental Research Group,
    attributes these premature deaths to two main pollutants: fine particulates known as PM2.5 and the toxic gas nitrogen dioxide (NO2).

    NO2 levels are of particular concern. London has the world’s highest measured levels of the gas and has breached EU safety limits every year for the last five. In 2015, NO2 levels on Oxford Street broke the annual limit in just four days.
    The KCL study estimated that the gas could be to blame for as many as 5,900 premature deaths a year."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post

    Maybe you didn't bother to read the link I posted!
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2015...-of-london-fog

    "The study, which was carried out for Transport for London by Kings College London’s Environmental Research Group,
    attributes these premature deaths to two main pollutants: fine particulates known as PM2.5 and the toxic gas nitrogen dioxide (NO2).

    NO2 levels are of particular concern. London has the world’s highest measured levels of the gas and has breached EU safety limits every year for the last five. In 2015, NO2 levels on Oxford Street broke the annual limit in just four days.
    The KCL study estimated that the gas could be to blame for as many as 5,900 premature deaths a year."


    From diesels


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    From diesels


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    My argument with you is not where the NO2 comes from, but how many deaths the KCL report stated were ostensibly caused by NO2.

    That total is not the same as the one you provided.

    That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    My argument with you is not where the NO2 comes from, but how many deaths the KCL report stated were ostensibly caused by NO2.

    That total is not the same as the one you provided.

    That is all.
    The point is diesels causing premature deaths.
    The elements within the emissions are simply a point to argue over surely.
    No diesels in the first place (including busses) no premature deaths


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    You are on another planet. The emissions spewed out by any internal combustion engine are not something you'd want to breath on their own. Petrol engines are also responsible for "premature" deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    You are on another planet. The emissions spewed out by any internal combustion engine are not something you'd want to breath on their own. Petrol engines are also responsible for "premature" deaths.
    The outlawing of diesel is only the first step to zero emissions in large cities.


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    Goodbye freight trains, goodbye food deliveries, goodbye life as you know it. You are dreaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Goodbye freight trains, goodbye food deliveries, goodbye life as you know it. You are dreaming.
    Give it a rest
    They can keep diesels to hubs


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Goodbye freight trains, goodbye food deliveries, goodbye life as you know it. You are dreaming.
    Surely not the end of life as we know it Just go to the past and we have steam trains for the rails, and horse and carts for food deliveries Not only that the horses can find their own way home if you fall asleep !! Be creative.

    IMHO the pollution problem is mostly caused by excessive private use of cars for very little productive return But the non road use of diesel is so poorly (un)regulated that it should be banned until some standards are set and enforced.
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    Does this mean all the testing car makers do is falsified?

    Is that why they use crash test dummies to show the car is safe?
    The car may protect crash test dummies, but what about Real Humans, sorry they were robots in the TV series
    I mean real living people.
    Why doesn't the CEO sit in the car during crash tests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by driven View Post
    Does this mean all the testing car makers do is falsified?

    Is that why they use crash test dummies to show the car is safe?
    The car may protect crash test dummies, but what about Real Humans, sorry they were robots in the TV series
    I mean real living people.
    Why doesn't the CEO sit in the car during crash tests?
    Because instead of current and prospective drivers being given phsyco, suitability and skills tests before being given a licence, lawmakers continue to demand that car manufacturers incorporate more and more safety. Currently most western automakers are good at incorporating these safety features, but who knows when their ability will really become tested.

    Also,the devices are designed to enable an occupant to survive an incident, not necessarily without collateral damage.
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