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    The drain plugs on both my engine and transmisison sump plugs are the recessed socket type.
    Both my R 25 and CX before the current XM had this so it must be a common french feature.

    Does anyone know where to get the tool to open these in Australia ?

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    I use an 8MM piece os square keysteel. I've heard of the old type door handle with teh square steel joining piece being used but I think it was Pugrambo who bought one from Snap-on or somewhere like that.

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    8mm square?

    There's a thread about this with many posts... answers people have come up with to deal with the lack of everyday availability of a tool...

    sump plug tool

    A few suggestions there might help you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    I use an 8MM piece os square keysteel. I've heard of the old type door handle with teh square steel joining piece being used but I think it was Pugrambo who bought one from Snap-on or somewhere like that.

    Alan S

    yes very true

    for a total of $29 you can get a snap-on tool that is 8mm square and as it is snap-on you can be sure that it is not going to twist and break like most other things you may stick in there

    i feel safe knowing i have a tool that is not going to break
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    or $30 for a half inch drive Stahlewillie.

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    A friend of mine picked one up for £2.50 a few weeks ago... Next person to go to britain should pick up a few

    Froggy parts are pretty cheap there.
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    everyone gave me funny looks when i tried to find one...

    i eventually McGuyvered it up...

    got a cup head bolt, which had a square section under it...
    bit of filing to make it all perfectly square...
    then bent it into an elbow!

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    Another tip too is that the 8mm tool is the correct size for adjusting the tensioners on the cambelts on the Mi16/BX16V engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdabel
    The drain plugs on both my engine and transmisison sump plugs are the recessed socket type.
    Both my R 25 and CX before the current XM had this so it must be a common french feature.

    Does anyone know where to get the tool to open these in Australia ?

    regards
    sean
    Hi, our R19 have weird and odd shaped drain plugs. Simply got a key bar, made a moulde with body filler and shaped the bar to fit, Cheap and simple
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo
    Hi, our R19 have weird and odd shaped drain plugs. Simply got a key bar, made a moulde with body filler and shaped the bar to fit, Cheap and simple
    Cheers,
    JoBo

    sounds good

    the reason i got the one i got was because you sometimes get a stubborn plug like the diff plug in pugs

    also having the socket type one i got it makes it very easy to use to get into coolant drain plugs on pugs as well

    plus as alan said there is the tensioner thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    A friend of mine picked one up for £2.50 a few weeks ago... Next person to go to britain should pick up a few

    Froggy parts are pretty cheap there.
    Righto, if you all chip in for the excess baggage I MAY consider taking orders as this time in 42 days (6 weeks) I should be landing in Singapore on my way to the UK.

    BTW - did I mention only 6 weeks to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO
    I've gone all "Big Kev!"
    Fair enough, I think I read that story;
    overweight, high blood pressure, stressed out, drinking too much, nervous disorders, fast going broke, thought life wasn't worth living, wanted to give up......don't worry; take an overseas holiday, it might make you feel better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    take an overseas holiday, it might make you feel better.


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    What a brilliant idea, I think I might just do that in, ooh,
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    Default Sump Key

    Thanks for the ideas. Did a a quick ring around today and while parts places had all heard of sump keys none had any in stock of could tell me when they might come in. Making my own from a door bolt seems best option.

    If I find a local supplier I will post details.

    regards
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    Buy a 1\2 inch to 3/8 reducer for about $2.00 and just grind a bit of the edges.

    It should take all of 2 minutes.

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    Richard Vandermeer

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdabel
    Thanks for the ideas. Did a a quick ring around today and while parts places had all heard of sump keys none had any in stock of could tell me when they might come in. Making my own from a door bolt seems best option.

    If I find a local supplier I will post details.

    regards
    sean
    give snap-on a call and quote part number PPM410A
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    Buy a 1\2 inch to 3/8 reducer for about $2.00 and just grind a bit of the edges.

    It should take all of 2 minutes.

    Regards,

    Richard Vandermeer
    i had one like that and snapped it
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    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    i had one like that and snapped it
    Obviously some people do their ump plugs up a little tighter than me

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    Obviously some people do their ump plugs up a little tighter than me
    you just never know what grease monkey has been at a car before you

    i broke one off in the plug on the diff of the 604 hence the need for the new tool and also Ray broke a similar one off in the diff of his 504 wagon after we changed it out

    now i have a good tool for the job

    i don't do mine up that tight as there is no need for it

    if the plug is leaking then either use a new copper gasket or anneal it before re-using it
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    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    There's a sump key kit from Kinchrome (I think).
    A set of 8 or so different shaped/sized ones including the 8mm square, with a handle. I remember it was about $50.

    If the kit is still available then any good dealer should be able to order it in.

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    Just called my friendly Citroen dealer. As usual they were very nice but unable to even look up sump key, let alone sell me one. However they put me onto SPECIALISED SERVICE TOOLS PTY LTD (08) 8269 2588.

    Nice guy, didn't have one in stock but could get one in - couple of weeks.

    A bit over $8.

    Easier than making my own

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    Buy a 1\2 inch to 3/8 reducer for about $2.00 and just grind a bit of the edges.

    It should take all of 2 minutes.

    Regards,

    Richard Vandermeer
    Hey, that's exactly what I did with a 3/8ths extension bar However I do wonder if I'll ever extract the remnants of that extension bar from the exceptionaly tight CX gearbox plug I was trying to remove (I ended up filling it through the dipstick tube ) Yep, the bloody thing sheered off in the hole

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    I've never been one for the "this will do the job just as well school" but the 3/8" drive bar from your quality socket set will do the job providing the butcher hasn't been there.

    If you come across a tight diff or gearbox filler/drain plug give it a sensible hit face on with a hammer. This will slightly crush the gasket, hopefully making the plug easier to remove.

    If you pay a visit to one of the original Peugeot/Renault dealers ask their most senior parts man if the special sump plug tool is still available.

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    i searched high and low through dealerships for the Facom tool of which there were two to choose from a few years ago

    one was a socket type and the other was a bar in an L shape with the 8mm square on each end

    i had both but of course they never returned when they were borrowed by people

    i then gave Snap-on a call and they said how many do you want ?

    the truck came through town a few days later and the tool was in my hand

    i have swung of it with a T bar and 2 foot of pipe at times to undo some things around here and it hasn't once looked like it was going to snap off

    great tool and highly recomended even though it did cost $20odd
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