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    Default Wanted car for the " not very mechanically minded"

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    My son needs a daily driver " character " car. He has been driving for a few years but has never had his own car, preference is for a Peugeot 504, Renault 12 or 16 or possibly Citroen but will consider suggestions as long as they are printable. Located is Brisbane & car will be parked outdoors so nothing with rust issues & good mechanically as his knowledge is limited at this stage. Fair price paid for the right car, cheers Dave ( 0429845884)

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    Needs a daily driver and would like a "character" car......

    Your list is of some pretty old cars for a first car and a daily driver. A good R12, if you can find one, might make it and just might be the simplest of the three to run. Others may have different views regarding a 504, but I reckon a 16 is not as realistic a bet as a 12 in the context of your requirement, at least IMHO.

    Someone much closer might post some contact details - there's a good group in the Q'ld Renault Club for example.

    Best of luck....
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    Hi Dave, you've seen my thoughts on this one (feel free to quote publicly if you desire).

    Hope the young bloke appreciates significant improvements in passive safety since the seventies in many prospective buys.

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    Lots & lots of 306's out there & pretty cheap. did someone suggest a diesel? Gumtree Ad ID 1073181213

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    My daily driver is a 504. If your son is interested in learning to look after the car, then go for it. But if 'not very mechanically minded' means that he's not going to embark on/enjoy that particular learning curve, I don't know that I could recommend one. No renault experience, but I can't imagine them being too different.

    As for passive safety, well, my previous daily driver was a motorcycle.
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    Oh Well drag out the ever reliable Holden Astra...$2000 for MY 2000 less than 180K

    Will even get passive safety for a young driver ...front air bags...

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    My daily driver is an E21 BMW, some which would argue is one of the easiest platforms to maintain... yet, it still requires constant maintenance due to age.

    If it -must- be from the 70's, all I can suggest is a 504 or a Volvo 240.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfbrick View Post
    Originally posted in " cars wanted" moved to enable responses to be posted

    My son needs a daily driver " character " car. He has been driving for a few years but has never had his own car, preference is for a Peugeot 504, Renault 12 or 16 or possibly Citroen but will consider suggestions as long as they are printable. Located is Brisbane & car will be parked outdoors so nothing with rust issues & good mechanically as his knowledge is limited at this stage. Fair price paid for the right car, cheers Dave ( 0429845884)
    Agree with suggestion of 504, on account of relative unkillability, although I use a 404, as did kids. Problem is finding one that won't just rust peacefully away while parked in the street getting wet. Hard to find one without rust and de-rusting process requires a degree of commitment ( although well-rewarded if done properly)

    What about a Datsun 1600? Unkillable and simpler, with extreme development potential and a nice car even if undeveloped. Also good network of parts availability ( lotsa parts in common with 240Z and 260Z, for which there is a large community of similarly crazed enthusiasts in Oz, USA and Japan )

    240Z also amazing, but finding good, cheap , non rusty one now pretty much impossible.

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    Is DAD "very mechanically minded"? Is Dad going to be the one left to maintain the "character" car?

    Speaking as a retired mechanic (among other things), one does not become mechanically minded over night without somebody there to train and advise. Maintaining a 40 year old car as a daily driver rings alarm bells to me, unless it is a spare car in which case a great idea.

    Reading between the lines I think a few others are suggesting similar, but my advice is to get the latest car you/he can afford, for safety and reliabilty. There are character cars around in later models, a car that comes to mind would be a 10 year old (or newer) Renault Clio or Megane, must be a manual trans. Must be able to pick one of those up at a good price these days.

    He would still learn how to maintain a car, but will become familiar with modern systems, ie, fuel injection, engine management, cam belt replacement, TDC sensor , etc. Still have the dramas of flat tyres, batteries, or whatever occasionally, which is enough to contend with if used as a daily driver.

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    E46 BMW.
    Have to say it because the B word has already been used in this thread.
    A very good friend of mine has a 2001 E46. He knows absolutely everything about every car ever made. In spite of this, every car he has ever owned has taken a significant beating. Absolutely tragic.

    As to the E46, he has owned it since almost new. It cost more money back in the day than anyone in our crowd would ever think about paying for a car. He got what he paid for.

    That little car drives well and has held up mechanically and cosmetically. Nothing but routine service to speak of, despite close to 300,000 really hard miles.

    Find the young man a bargain on an E46 break and enjoy the ride while maintaining focus on other important things in life, and soon enough the right French car will materialize.

    I was hopelessly addicted to French cars (still am) when I was younger. I often wonder what the true cost in life, as a result, is, and what my life would be like if I had spent less time at the garage and more time (actually paying attention) in school.

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    40 year old cars break fairly frequently, especially without a comprehensive rebuild. The 504 is pretty simple to maintain, but it does need maintenance, and you do need to be mechanically minded.

    As a second car, I find the 504 to perfect. It can teach, especially when guided by someone more experienced. My 504 is currently taking daily duties as the BX is over heating, but I spent 6 hours yesterday dealing with an issue where it wouldn't start, and replacing some rubber in the anti roll bar area.

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    My memories of our Renault 12 was that it was relatively simple to work on. Some specialised tools but should be able to get hold of them. Great to drive and a well looked after one shouldn't present too much trouble regarding rust.
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    Well, a thread where one can wax lyrical about follies of ones youth.
    My take,
    1. French....SI 505. Good safety, carb, manual, handling,RWD.
    2. Mini.....Morris, no Leyland rubbish. FWD but a bit $$$$ and fiddly.
    3.late model Magna...V6 AWD....Drive it like you stole it and tell me it wasn't a S/Tin O fun.
    4. Audi 80 or 90....unloved and under rated. Surprisingly easy to work on....safety better than cars of the same era.

    Volvos need not apply.
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    [What about a Datsun 1600? Unkillable and simpler, with extreme development potential and a nice car even if undeveloped. Also good network of parts availability ]

    yep, a great car, but no longer cheap, nothing good - original or modded -
    for under $10,000.

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    What about a Datsun 1600? Great cars, mate had a 1600 whilst I had a 240k & fairlady sports, later a 2000 sports ( god I wish I had them now)
    Is DAD "very mechanically minded"? Can do most basic maintenance items but leave the major items to people that have more skills & better facilities.
    Is Dad going to be the one left to maintain the "character" car? sometimes but bearing in mind I live 11/2 hrs away a local trusted mechanic would be needed.
    Anyone know anything about this car?
    Gumtree Ad ID 1073181213 cheers Dave

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    I don't "know" anything about it, but looks to be a Lucas pump on the front there. Should be OK if it hasn't been misfuelled or played with. Probably haggle room in the asking price.

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    I'm thinking Mr "not mechanically minded" needs deep pockets or he doesn't need a "character car"
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    From all of my experience, character car minus garage equals disaster. No mechanical aptitude is the icing on the cake. That Astra idea sounded like a cracker!
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    I was down at DS Motors in Brisbane and there's an Xantia + GS going cheap - - both in good reliable condition.

    Good luck, John

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilberthenry View Post
    I was down at DS Motors in Brisbane and there's an Xantia + GS going cheap - - both in good reliable condition.

    Good luck, John
    If the Xantia is a manual.... Well worth thinking about.
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    Brisbane and no AC in an everyday driver? That may take more commitment than imagined.

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    It's a buyers market, there are so many cheap later model used cars to choose from with ABS, airbags, etc.
    An older car may have more street cred, but also requires more time spent looking after it, my two boys have limited mechanical knowledge and when a problem arises on their 20yo daily drivers, it's usually dad that has to go about fixing it, chasing parts, making the phone calls.
    Sometimes they help out and learn, sometimes they don't, it depends on a range of circumstances, ie... work, girlfriends, latest Xbox game, too early in the morning, etc, etc....and one son is more keen than the other.
    My advice would be to go for the latest model you can afford, a common brand and run it into the ground and when it finally dies or becomes too uneconomical to maintain, get another late model and do the same again.
    Older model cars are generally easier to work on and fun, but you need the time and space to keep one. Things will go wrong more often and parts are harder to come by, which usually means phone calls/internet searches until you find what you are looking for, go for a long drive to pick it up or wait for it to arrive.
    And the younger generation don't have time for all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Brisbane and no AC in an everyday driver? That may take more commitment than imagined.
    That's a good point too Addo, both my sons cars have working A/C, they would die without it! :-)
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