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    The PSA factory in Trémery, Moselle ,made last year 1.5 million engines of which 75 per cent were diesels. These went into Peugots, Citroëns and DS but also land Rovers and Fords. The market has shifted towards the three cylinder turbo petrol engines like the PSA EB series.
    The management put out to tender the production of 200,000 pa from 2018 across its global factory network. The finalists were the Spanish factory at Vigo, that primarily assembles cars and Trémery.
    They have now decided on the French one and the decision will help to preserve the jobs of 3,500 employees currently working there.
    It is apparent that Tavares is following the example of Ghosn and using the lever of lower offshore costs, to force an improvement in productivity in their French operations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    The PSA factory in Trémery, Moselle ,made last year 1.5 million engines of which 75 where diesels.
    Thats a fair ratio.

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    Nice ratio, but a production run of 75 engines might indicate why PSA has been in financial difficulty................
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    I'll continue watching, it's all politics though options should always be kept open. Don't want all the eggs in one basket as parts of Europe drink the coolaid! and make decisions that might not pan out as planned.

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    Made in France like the infamous AL4 gearboxes hope they get the design right

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    Quote Originally Posted by C5boy View Post
    Made in France like the infamous AL4 gearboxes hope they get the design right
    The AL4 was designed in conjunction with Siemens, a German company.

    You might find this useful

    http://www.transdoc.net/downloads/DPO-AL4
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    From my personal experience the electronics was siemans the box was joint venture Citroen Renault Peugeot

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    The development involved all three companies PSA, Renault and Siemens in France and Germany and the C5 overall used components sourced from a variety of countries.
    I suggest that to make a sweeping generalisation on national grounds, positive or negative, is inappropriate when the industry has global scope in its technology and component sourcing.
    The automatic gearboxes used in Australian designed and assembled Fords over the last decade have mostly come from the factory at Blanquefort near Bordeaux. The market appeared happy with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    The development involved all three companies PSA, Renault and Siemens in France and Germany and the C5 overall used components sourced from a variety of countries.
    I suggest that to make a sweeping generalisation on national grounds, positive or negative, is inappropriate when the industry has global scope in its technology and component sourcing.
    I've been closely following your "reporting" about "French marques" et al.

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    My C5 has lots and lots of German, some Italian, some USA, some Japanese in it. There are likely more countries if I look harder. I think the most French parts are probably the steel body and the seats! And this is reputedly the Froggiest car around.

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    In the fools paradise of the EU, most European governments have been emasculated to the point that they have very little say over their futures, and it would appear that they are being governed by unelected public servants of the EU.

    Europe, on whose land so many have fought and died through the aeons is now a sinking ship, and Nationalism is on the rise. French cars may soon be French again!
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    In the fools paradise of the EU, most European governments have been emasculated to the point that they have very little say over their futures, and it would appear that they are being governed by unelected public servants of the EU.

    Europe, on whose land so many have fought and died through the aeons is now a sinking ship, and Nationalism is on the rise. French cars may soon be French again!
    Far from the truth. Europe, like Australia and the US has been plagued by popularist politicians. In Europe they have little to seize on for 'policy' except to demonise Europe. Fortunately the politicians have little power and the economies of European countries are controlled by professionals in their national and European administrations. The complex network of global finance also acts as a stabilising force. You may have noticed how quiet Greece has gone after voting in such people. They have no choice but to accept that they have borrowed rather than pay taxes and will be abandoned if they do not respect their obligations. France is in some respects similar. Europe bashing has been used by the far left because it threatens the wage levels and by the extreme right because thay can play on nationalism. Neither power group can do much while decisions are made in a context outside their local support, so they oppose it. Fortunately, the French have woken up and realised, as jobs vanish, that their social system is dead in the water as it comprises their comptitiveness and depends on debt that only with the goodwill of Europeans can be repayed without national default.
    As a result, in this weekend's Departmental elections the National front and the Socialists suffered huge defeats. In spite of the unpopularity of Sakozy his middle right party, commited to France making Europe work, showed the public mood by dominating the polls.

    I think that Europe has never been stronger and is showing prudent financial and political control to weather its inevitable economic decline relative to the emerging economies and the US.

    The automotive industry has other drivers. PSA is no 2 in Europe behind VW and its biggest single national market is China, not France. It game plan has to be making cars to appeal to global markets and encouraging the French to accept them, not trying to offload cars made for French conditions in highly competitive overseas markets.
    Similarly Renault has adopted a global stance and uses its French history when it suits it for marketing purposes but is building global cars branded to match expectations in its real markets. They have no need to spend a fortune on establishing the Renault brand in the US for example, when they can stick a Nissan label on the hood and work through a solid dealer network with a history.

    This industry more than any other has shown its French workforce and the French government the cold edge of global competition. The government has responded and is battling to change public opinion away from the union strategy of demonising company owners and is having some sucess at last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post

    I think that Europe has never been stronger and is showing prudent financial and political control to weather its inevitable economic decline relative to the emerging economies and the US.
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    the EU has 11.5% average unemployment and almost no growth for a decade!
    neither of which are looking to improve in the foreseeable future.
    it has a legislature, and a bureaucracy, and the Eurogroup, but no Cabinet or Administration to directly represent the people in conducting government. from where i sit, it looks like an economic mess with little hope of improvement, and a very weak democracy.

    that said, it is also true that there is no significant voter opposition to the continuation of any aspect of it.

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    What might the unemployment be as a bunch of small disparate markets without the EU ?
    Running a modern economy in times when technology change creates disruption and running international relations with unfamiliar cultures requires a level of professional training beyond that of most politicians and most voters. The French like the British and it would seem from afar, the Australians have lost confidence in their political class and their expectations of change are falling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    What might the unemployment be as a bunch of small disparate markets without the EU ?
    Running a modern economy in times when technology change creates disruption and running international relations with unfamiliar cultures requires a level of professional training beyond that of most politicians and most voters. The French like the British and it would seem from afar, the Australians have lost confidence in their political class and their expectations of change are falling.
    Depends if you are watching and reading the anti brigade song sheets, The ABC are determined to get Malcolm who to challenge for leadership, and same with certain press with the same agenda, eventually the tide will turn against the obstructionist Senate most who would not be elected except for the gaming of the voting preference and luck. That may b e fixed too as the won't be elected the next time.

    But we are better that in the USA where they have a lame duck as a president, who is it seems judging form an ABC report tonight he is unpopular with both Democrats AND republicans as he sets up to destroy jobs and lose traditional friends in the last gasp of his Presidential term, very strange , the steel workers blame him for sending off jobs, and selling down the manufacturing.

    Best chance for Europe to capitalize on that I'd say, but is Europe united? that is the question.

    The whole world has lost its way it seems. Some very peed off people.

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    Unemployment has dropped dramatically during obama's presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    I have borrowed a sentence or two from your post to add to my sig. comment. Hope you approve.
    I'm sure he doesn't, as you changed it by adding a punctuation error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68 404 View Post
    I'm sure he doesn't, as you changed it by adding a punctuation error.

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    Fixed, as if it never happened. Thanks for proof reading.
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