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    Noticed this last week. Opened a thread to read the 5 replies and the page failed to fully open past the original post. Took 4 or 5 attempts by reloading the page to fully open where all replies were visible.

    Has happened a number of times today as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgti6 View Post
    Noticed this last week. Opened a thread to read the 5 replies and the page failed to fully open past the original post. Took 4 or 5 attempts by reloading the page to fully open where all replies were visible.

    Has happened a number of times today as well.

    Any ideas???
    I've had the same happen, good to know I'm not alone

    My short term solution has been to use a different browser, I mostly use Opera, switch to Chrome and all is well. . . for a while!! Then the same problem sneaks in. Sometimes going to the index and using that link works

    Not sure what the problem is but will dig deeper.

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    Sorta/kinda good to hear it happens with other browsers! Firefox updated itself twice in about a week so wasn't sure if there was an incompatibility issue at my end.
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    I haven't had this today to analyse it, but last time the site was taking an age to load in fits and starts, I did route it via the error console and timed all GETs. Then it was javascript jQuery making external references to servers that were taking their time. If the problem happens to me I'll look at it again.

    jQuery is getting to be a disease with some web coders - they like the way it saves them from thinking, but nothing comes without tradeoffs. It often isn't necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    I haven't had this today to analyse it, but last time the site was taking an age to load in fits and starts, I did route it via the error console and timed all GETs. Then it was javascript jQuery making external references to servers that were taking their time. If the problem happens to me I'll look at it again.

    jQuery is getting to be a disease with some web coders - they like the way it saves them from thinking, but nothing comes without tradeoffs. It often isn't necessary.
    Programming languages aside, I've found big delays on occasions when ad or statistic providers site has a delay in responding.
    Usually you will see somewhere waiting for "_www.dfgh.com_".

    I would assume this is what SS means by "gets" ?

    Sometimes I just bail out completely and come back at a later time.

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    When a browser or other downloading software contacts a website it sends a multi-line GET request in ASCII, eg the simple curl downloader would say:

    GET / HTTP/1.1
    User-Agent: curl/7.18.0 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.18.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8g zlib/1.2.3.3 libidn/1.1
    Host: aussiefrogs.com - French Car enthusiasts site for Australia Since 1999 - Citroen Peugeot Renault - aussiefrogs.com & Froggy Forum!
    Accept: */*
    (The user agent tells the site what it is dealing with to assist it responding appropriately. The host field** tells the server which web site we want to see) **see comment below

    We then wait for the good return signal, also in ASCII:

    HTTP/1.1 200 OK
    followed by information about the site to help the browser. Aussiefrogs says to Opera:

    Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 07:22:52 GMT
    Server: Apache
    Set-Cookie: bb_lastvisit=1415863372; expires=Fri, 13-Nov-2015 07:22:52 GMT; path=/
    Set-Cookie: bb_lastactivity=0; expires=Fri, 13-Nov-2015 07:22:52 GMT; path=/
    Expires: 0
    Cache-Control: private, post-check=0, pre-check=0, max-age=0
    Pragma: no-cache
    X-Powered-By: PleskLin
    Connection: close
    Transfer-Encoding: chunked
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    As the browser builds up the page it makes more GET requests for all the files, scripts, images etc that are included in the source code, and waits for the response. Our home page alone has 30 odd. When we select a thread we ask for another set. These can be timed. For icon1.gif on the home page I just got:

    Scheduling request- 706 ms
    writing header- 0.03 ms
    writing body- 0.04 ms
    waiting for response- 198 ms
    reading response header- 0.1 ms
    reading resonse body- 2.05 ms
    processing- 0.33

    total 907 ms

    The whole front page took 3 seconds to load and process. It's that "waiting for response" that causes blocky page loading.

    PS This site alters URLs - the host field above should be the URL
    Last edited by seasink; 13th November 2014 at 07:51 PM.

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    Thanks for the lesson...

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    Hope it wasn't too much info. If you want more, see Hypertext Transfer Protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    With a Linux terminal you can do this whole conversation a step at a time, to diagnose connection issues. My previous analysis found slow or even no response from jquery.com.

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