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    Default Have your say NSW Rego changes [Relocated]

    You may be interested in the proposed changes to NSW vehicle registration. So I would say it affects you.
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    Vehicle Registration Initiatives (VRI) | Vehicle Registration Initiatives (VRI)

    It has been proposed, basically, the older your car is or has less safety features, the more you will pay for registration. Definitely would effect many of the cars we have here on Aussie Frogs, especially those not on "Club Plates".

    You can comment on the website, but you only have until Thursday the 24th of July.

    You might want to let your friends and family know too.

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    NSW really does suck .... Does the new car manufacturer lobby have a lot of power there or something. Annual roadworthies is the same deal. There is statically no evidence that annual "checks" of any sort impact accident figures.

    All htis will do is punish the poor, and destroy any value older cars "might" retain.
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    The web site states "The proposed changes would apply to new passenger vehicles, new motorcycles, and to all caravans and light trailers."

    (not that they could ever be trusted not to then make it retrospective to cover older vehicles too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    The web site states "The proposed changes would apply to new passenger vehicles, new motorcycles, and to all caravans and light trailers."

    (not that they could ever be trusted not to then make it retrospective to cover older vehicles too)
    Um..... a caravan or light trailer can be more or less dangerous that any other caravan or trailer This is just a push to try and force people into new cars sooner. It'll just take 5years or so to come into effect, at that point it will start to punish the poeple that can't afford anything newer...
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    NSW is known for revenue hikes in order to pay for all the corruption and screw ups the big wigs make...

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    Page 22, jtem 3.6, para 2
    "Following implementation of the reforms for new vehicles, the remainder of the NSW light vehicle and motorcycle fleet would then be
    gradually transitioned over to the new charging framework."
    As a person on a pension, I do not have the cash to go buy a new car, so I will be penalised for keeping an older car - eventually.
    Got to love NSW; no low income persons welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    The web site states "The proposed changes would apply to new passenger vehicles, new motorcycles, and to all caravans and light trailers."

    (not that they could ever be trusted not to then make it retrospective to cover older vehicles too)
    exactly! look at the information sheet for passenger vehicles and be very afraid..
    "These reforms are initially being proposed for all new passenger vehicles, with reforms to second-hand
    vehicles proposed a number of years later, to allow customers adequate time to plan ahead."

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    It's just another variant on a current fashion in the mindset of civil servants. "Safety" is all the rage among the policing class (they just can't help looking after others they know naught about). Something else will be the fad soon.

    Remember the craze a few years ago for traffic "calming" from the busybodies? Now we have stop signs ignored because they no longer signal danger.

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    I live in Victoria and you can bet your bottom dollar that our State Government will be taking note of the NSW changes.

    The other thing is, like all changes such as this one, they adopt things gradually. First, it only affects new cars but then they roll out the rest of the changes they've planned. The drip feed system. We gradually get used to the idea and it supposedly softens the blow.

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    If someone on AF with a gift for this sort of thing ( and can type much faster then me ) was to write a well thought out response that protects the interests of classic cars that travel very limited milage and was to post it here we could all cut and paste it and then it to the RMS.
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    Last time I renewed car rego in Victoria it cost $712.19 (for 12 months). That was on 30 December 2013. How does that compare to NSW?

    As most will probably know, we don't have annual roadworthy checks in Victoria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Chisholm View Post
    Last time I renewed car rego in Victoria it cost $712.19 (for 12 months). That was on 30 December 2013. How does that compare to NSW?

    As most will probably know, we don't have annual roadworthy checks in Victoria.
    It's not a fair comparison, as our rego includes the 3rd party injury insurance.... Which can be incredibly expensive in NSW .... because it was "privatised to save money"

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    Last time I renewed car rego in Victoria it cost $712.19 (for 12 months). That was on 30 December 2013. How does that compare to NSW?

    As most will probably know, we don't have annual roadworthy checks in Victoria.

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    I've got the renewal papers in my hand now, for a VERY small car (lowest tax class). $903 for compulsory tax, pink slip (roadworthy), and compulsory 3rd party.

    It seems Vics have nothing to whinge about

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    It's not a fair comparison, as our rego includes the 3rd party injury insurance.... Which can be incredibly expensive in NSW .... because it was "privatised to save money"

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    The $712.10 (correction, memo to self, get new glasses) rego renewal fee includes third party injury (TAC), it doesn't include third party property (the other car you've hit).

    Registration fee = $238.00
    TAC charge = $431.00
    Insurance Duty = $ 43.10

    Total $712.10

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    Ps shouldn't this thread be in the chat section?
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    The NSW sums I gave don't include 3rd party property or comprehensive insurances either. Add those on and the fee can double.

    Running a car in NSW is expensive. The trick is to have someone over the border you can have it "owned" at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    The NSW sums I gave don't include 3rd party property or comprehensive insurances either. Add those on and the fee can double.

    Running a car in NSW is expensive. The trick is to have someone over the border you can have it "owned" at.
    Your greenslip or CPT insurance is an extra that is covered under the rego renewal in Victoria. So to compare the costs, you need to add the cost of your greenslip to the registration amount.
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    Shane, my $903 is for rego + green slip + pink slip.



    For the green slip, 3rd party personal, cost varies between insurers, and particularly locations (Sydney area is worst) - $610 for my example. You can compute the cost at Motor Accidents Authority - Green Slip Price Guide Form

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    I will probably make a submission, based on what's mooted.

    It's impossible not to see this as attempting to bully people into driving newer cars.

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    Current renewal for a Citroen XM:
    Registration fee $62
    Motor vehicle tax $277
    Total to RTA/RMS $339
    Inspection required . Typically $40, say.
    Green slip (compulsory) - NRMA's initial try-on is $767, so I will be shafting them. That's actually IAG, the part that was split from NRMA and floated off. It should be about $500-550.

    The proposal is to allocate the pricing (on likely average proportions) as follows:
    Weight 50% (Admin fee $50 + sliding fee at $0.14 per kg)
    Safety 35% (ANCAP rating is the primary determinant.)
    Emissions 15% (Green Vehicle Guide CO2 would be the determinant)

    Until there is a clear idea of pricing for the safety and emissions components, it's impossible to know the effects. Maybe, it's in the discussion papers that I've not looked at yet? The changes would only apply to new cars at present, but may be some idea of how it will affect older cars that will not receive any concessions. If the new pricing were to be applied to older cars, here are two examples:

    The XM has a tare of 1494kg and road tax of $277, but another car with a 1640kg tare has a tax component of $411. So, due to the weight alone, the cost rises suddenly because it's in another weight band. Removing the 'banding' may be good or bad.

    For the XM's weight component - 1494kg will cost $50 + 0.14x1494 = 50 + 209 = $259. (Versus $277)
    Other car at 1640kg is then $50 + 0.14x1640 = 50 + 230 = $280. (Versus $411)

    It looks less initially, however, that's only the weight portion of new rego fee. If we assume, as TfNSW have, that weight will account for on average 50% of the cost (note the current $62 charge is to be removed), then we have:
    XM - Old rego = $339. Likely new rego = 2x $259 = $518
    Other car - Old rego = $471. Likely new rego = 2x $280 = $560.

    So, in both cases, the costs could rise substantially. Those sorts of rises will never go down well in Voterland! Neither of these cars would qualify for any kind of concession based on ANCAP rating or low emissions. Ironically, the total CO2 emitted by both cars (3.0l and 5.3l) would be far less that any average new Prius simply because the annual mileages are so low.

    You Victorians may be in for some 'medicine' shortly after Tatts won their $450M+interest case last week. Plus Tabcorp would like another $700M+ if they take their adverse result from last week to appeal.
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    David if you can crack the low $600s for an old car's 3rd party, please tell us where.

    The prices vary so much for location, age and model between insurers year by year it feels like entering a casino.

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    Be nomadic. I'm registered in the Riverina and it's below $500.

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    I reckon the whole thing is a bureaucratic wank. It would be much fairer to pay by the amount of kilometres travelled. That way little-used older vehicles would be represented correctly, as their reduced distances travelled also reduce their risk of collisions, whilst vehicles that travel huge distances get to pay more, in line with their exposure to risk.
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    Oh to be registered in Temora.

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