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    Over Easter I had a unsuccessful conversation with my father, trying to convince him that my mother's 2006 Ford Focus is just as big as her VK Commodore (2 cars ago), and safer than her airbagless VR Commodore. Despite having all the dimensions (it's taller and wider than VK, but shorter), and this clip, the Commodore was a 'full size family car', and the Focus is just a 4 cylinder. The Commodore was therefore larger and safer.

    But I did come across this clip. Before watching it, I thought the Modus would 'probably' be safer than the 15 year older, but 3-4 sizes larger Volvo.

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    Icon14 Wasn't sure myself at the result, given the weight/mass difference..

    Interesting video, the Modus "driver" and passenger certainly benefitted from the airbags and the cabin design strength. The Volvo (one of the Mum driver ones), well that driver and passenger didn't fare so well! I guess our older age group grew up in an era where having a larger car, meant safety, when it clearly does not hold these days.

    I think back to the days of our fathers extolling the virtues of their Mercedes Benz or Ford Ltd as having that advantage, not to mention the heavy sales pitch about the safe Volvos of that similar era, sort of apples and pears comparison but many of those Volvos still being used around the burbs.

    Thanks for posting that video. Food for thought.

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    The closing speed was 120 km/h so a pretty serious crash. In a normal accident at a closing speed of say 40-60 the Volvo would probably come off a lot better. Still I guess that explains why a modern mini car weighs as much as an old family car.

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    If I had a Mrs, I'd buy her aphrodisiacs, not a Cadillac.

    The "closing speed" is possibly less than quite a few crashes on the Harbour Bridge or any other arterial road with tidal flow traffic measures.

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    Makes me pretty uncomfortable about driving around in a 205. Or worse, taking my little boy around in it.

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    I always keep a lookout for Volvos when driving in the 2CV.

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    Have a look at videos of the 97 7 series E38 I think they were crashing. A HUGE car that does not crash well at all. Makes me decently happy in the 405 as most accidents I have seen of them they hold up very well.
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    As I'm not going all out to crash test anything myself I think it's nice that someone else has gone to the trouble for me.
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    I think I might migrate to Finland to live amongst the mooses. At least I know my agile 2CV does very well in the moose test.

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    As referred to in a thread in the Pug forum and note the injuries were only minor

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    I always keep a lookout for Volvos when driving in the 2CV.

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    Likewise, I always check under the Volvo for 2CVs (or similar) whenever the other half returns from grocery shopping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielBendigo View Post
    The closing speed was 120 km/h so a pretty serious crash. In a normal accident at a closing speed of say 40-60 the Volvo would probably come off a lot better. Still I guess that explains why a modern mini car weighs as much as an old family car.

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    Top-end pre-airbag engineered cars were optimised to crash well up to the survivable limits. No point making a car's crumple zone more rigid to keep the cabin intact in an unsurvivable impact, and injure/kill the occupants in the more common low-speed impacts. However, now with airbags we can sustain much higher forces, so it makes sense to increase the stiffness of crumple zones and the passenger cell.

    That's why cars designed from the start with a full suite of airbags in mind perform significantly better than pre-airbag cars or cars that had airbags fitted mid model cycle.

    It would be interesting to see how the 940 and Modus would perform at a more modest speed, both fitted with airbags. I wouldn't be surprised if the loads on the body end up being less in the 940. Anyway, the 940 is a re-engineered 7-series Volvo. It was launched in 1982, which means it was engineered in the late 1970's.

    I wouldn't want to see an R12 run into a Modus at similar speed.
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    That's what happens when mild steel meets heat-treated steel in that situation. You could no doubt do the same with a Smart, but the 'bounce' resulting from such a crash might be hard to survive unscathed. That the Volvo effectively became part of the Modus' crumple zone in that very severe crash is the most important point to take away. It's very difficult for many people to understand how this could be so, let alone how significantly even the bottom end of today's market has changed over the past 5-10 years. If you wanted a very safe bargain larger car you'd look at an older C5 or 407 over some older and heavier options.

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    I thought you looked for a Range Rover because it was all about articulation of the suspension?

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    I'm sure a current Range Rover would behave very differently to a 'classic' model of similar mass in a severe crash. It should also perform better in a low speed bush rollover when even the extensive suspension articulation proves to be inadequate for the prevailing conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    I think I might migrate to Finland to live amongst the mooses. At least I know my agile 2CV does very well in the moose test.

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    That's interesting, so its one of the few cars that the moose don't turn into convertibles?
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    I'm glad I have a 5 star Megane!

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    The simplicity of a 2CV in a crash results in the driver dying a death whilst the driver of the other vehicle struggles to live a life.

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    What about the bloody moose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    What about the bloody moose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    What about the bloody moose?
    It gets a belly rub
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    I get the idea. I am driving this (for want of a better word) can and I hit a moose. Canned Moose. OK.

    UFO, where does the bloody salmon come from? You're not confusing this with a red herring are you?

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