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    I know that some 205's have been successfully imported.

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    But what if one wanted to import, say, a 405 T16?

    Would it be possible, as it's a LHD car?

    Thanks, Nikica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernck View Post
    I know that some 205's have been successfully imported.

    But what if one wanted to import, say, a 405 T16?

    Would it be possible, as it's a LHD car?

    Thanks, Nikica.
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    As far as I know any vehicle imported , manufactured pre or post 1989, is required to be RHD either by manufacture or by conversion if you want to drive it on public roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernck View Post

    But what if one wanted to import, say, a 405 T16?


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    The 405 T16 can not be bought into aus as the 405 Mi16 was sold here. There is not enough difference apparently to import it. Same as you cant get the 405 Mi16x4 in unless you private import. So that is really the only way to do it.
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    Are you saying it's not possible to import cars that you are/were able to buy in Australia to begin with or...?

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    It is not possible to import cars that were sold in aus that is correct. So I cant import a 406 coupe for example as it was sold here. If I owned it overseas for over a year I could bring it back as a personal import however. At least that is to the best of my info at this point. But as always will keep looking into it as they change the import laws often.
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    Yeah, I've just read that.

    But surely 405 T16 is pretty much different. "Limited edition", four wheel drive, many different parts.

    And most of all - it is LHD, which might prove to be an additional obstacle? Is a BMW E30 M3 road legal is OZ?

    I'm guessing one may need to alter the A/C from R12 to R134a gas as well.

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    The E30 M3 has to be convered if you want to rego it. Unless you live in WA in which case if it over 15 or 25 years old you can keep it LHD and rego it. If you dont live there then it has to be over 30 years old to keep it LHD and get it regoed.

    I do want a E30 M3, but at $35k plus.. Not really worth it to me. Even though I have wanted one for about 10 years now.
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    Oh, OK. It's a good thing that a historic car can be LHD, otherwise it would have been a dead end!

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    I think you can import any pre 89 car whether that model was sold here or not. It must be over 30 years old to register LHD but maybe can have club permit if over 25 years

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    The pre 1 January 1989 thing is correct. However are not all 405's over that age? I know all of the good ones are. So Mi16, Mi16x4 and T16's
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    As much as I would really like one myself, I don't think that the T16 could be brought in under normal circumstances, for 2 main reasons.

    Firstly, whilst the technology existed in early '89 (ie 25 years ago), evident in Pikes Peak 88 and Dakar 89, I am fairly sure that there was no T16 made before 1990, or at least the model that we know as "1.5". I've never seen one with 14inch wheels, put it that way. No idea when they stopped being made, but they went well into series 2.

    Secondly, they are unable to be converted to RHD as, by Peugeot's own admission, the turbo site right where the steering would otherwise need to go.

    Only way I could think of is if someone migrated here and it was already owned and demonstrated to be regularly driven, then maybe it could be brought in as their personal car. But, as none is older than 25 years, I don't see how it could be registered.

    If this car is not amongst the ultimate Peugeots ever made, I don't know what is.

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    First of all the wheat from the chaff : )

    1. Any car can be imported in to Oz if it is over 25 years old even race cars however whether they can be complianced for registration or club permit to be driven on the road is an entirely different matter. This also varies from state to state.

    2. It can be either LHD or RHD and does not have to be altered. The car must be in original manufactured condition as the first rule of compliance. The requirements are substantially less than a post 1989 or newer car. Regarding the conversion to RHD for modern or new cars it may or may not need to be done if the conversion is deemed to change the safety rating of the manufacture of the car or judged to be too difficult a task by authorities. This case would have to be argued by a RAWS workshop.

    3. Cars post 1989 must be approved and on the SEVS register and are generally only imported by RAWS workshops for themselves or for a private client. These workshops are the only people authorised to complete work to compliance cars to meet Australian Regulations.

    4. You can bring in a post 1989 car as a personal import but only if you have owned it and driven overseas for a minimum period of 12 months. There is lots of paperwork to fill out to prove that this is true.

    5. You can only bring 1 car in as a personal import option every 5 years.

    Anyway this is my understanding happy to be corrected at any time if I have some incorrect information : )

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    Until about 10 years ago all cars had to be RHD to be registered regardless of age ,unless you lived in the Northern Territory .There were many specialist converters then and it was an expensive process ,especially for American cars ,adding a lot to their cost in Aus .Some cars like early MGB/s were simple bolt on jobs while some others were huge tasks requiring firewalls and dashes to be remade .I did a 64 Plymouth Valiant convertible which was easy because unlike most US cars it was designed for either left or right and had blanks in the firewall for the positions of the steering column and brakes ,and parts from local Valiants simply bolted on.

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    Useless trivia: Peugeot 406 had been made for either left or right from the factory, therefore converting it is easy. On the other hand 406 Coupe is oriented and it would be a massive and nasty job to convert it from LHD to RHD or the other way round - which, unfortunately, I've had to find out the hard way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernck View Post
    I know that some 205's have been successfully imported.

    But what if one wanted to import, say, a 405 T16?

    Would it be possible, as it's a LHD car?

    Thanks, Nikica.
    Yes, it is possible to import cars in Australia. Provided you import it to another country.

    Otherwise, it might be easier to stick it where it fits. Or on the contrary.
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    Why not get a P.O. Box in the country of origin, keep it registered there, and drive it on an extended holiday trip in Australia and have it on a temporary visitor registration?
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    hi.

    i speak from a lot of personal importing experience, with just one vehicle.

    all i can suggest is answer the following questions honestly.

    how much is the car worth to you?
    if you struggle to get it cleared, how much can you afford to spend?

    hidden costs and problems arise when you least expect it!

    i.e. customs, vehicle valuation, import cleaning, travel without rego (at least $50 each ride), towing - if not considered road worthy, damage in transit, parts availability, people willing to work on a non standard car, storage.

    if you were selling it or considering to sell it down the track LHD may be an issue.


    do the maths. think with your head, not your heart.

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    The PO box needs to be near the car. As the garaged address needs to be close. So you cant have it sitting in a storage yard of a year while you live the other side of the country.

    At least last time I looked at it, so could of changed.
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    Your choice of insurance companies is limited once the car is here. I found that with my private import 605. Then if you want agreed value instead of "market value", the choice goes down to just one. Great way of getting a competitive quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ810 View Post
    Why not get a P.O. Box in the country of origin, keep it registered there, and drive it on an extended holiday trip in Australia and have it on a temporary visitor registration?
    Because you need to have be a resident in the country of origin......

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    Best to spend some hours reading through the DOTARS site. There are some anomolies that do allow you to bring in an interesting car that was sold here new after 1989. You can bring in an up to 4/06 Lotus Elise for example allowing a toyota powered machine in as these cars were originally brought in under a limited import licence.

    I have brought in three cars, and you do get better at it as you go. RORO is a good way to go if the car runs under its own power, much cheaper and neither of the two I brought in this way were damaged. Expect the stereo to be gone if it is anything decent. There is no insurance for stereo gear. Expect to get reamed over cleaning, just bring it as is, as it doesn't seem to matter if it is clean or not, you have no power over this, and will not be able to examine the car yourself to refute this.

    Rust in places that it never happens in Australia is common if importing a vehicle from a snowy area. Go for something fibreglass perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan moore View Post
    . RORO is a good way to go if the car runs under its own power, much cheaper and neither of the two I brought in this way were damaged. Expect the stereo to be gone if it is anything decent. There is no insurance for stereo gear. Expect to get reamed over cleaning, just bring it as is, as it doesn't seem to matter if it is clean or not, you have no power over this, and will not be able to examine the car yourself to refute this.

    Rust in places that it never happens in Australia is common if importing a vehicle from a snowy area. Go for something fibreglass perhaps.
    How true is all this! It's uncanny. I know people who have imported cars, and the stories that I have not only heard, but seen.

    Anything in the car not bolted in will be lifted, particularly any sound system. Might seem like a good idea to put some spares in the car, but they'll go, even if whoever purloins it could not possibly have any use for it.

    I've see a hole in the door left by a forklift.

    The steam cleaners have to justify their own existence, at your expense. They will stick a screwdriver into a seam in the wheelarch, and show you the 3 grains of dirt you missed that could harbour a life-threatening disease.

    You'd have to wonder if it is all worth it.

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    I have imported many cars in the 80/s mostly MGB/s using roll on roll off ships ,and never had any damage to cars.I used to fill them with spare parts ,new and s/h ,which were not covered by insurance ,and the only things that went missing were a couple of new soft tops in boxes .I once brought back an early 504 wagon filled with s/h parts and panels like a mobile container and nothing went missing . I don't think any of the cars had radios that were good enough to steal.

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