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    Icon1 Motor groups support push for user-pays road charges Read more: http://www.smh.com.a

    I'm all for more spending on infrastructure, God knows we need it, but I see a few problems with this proposal.

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    1. Do I get a discount if I am forced to drive because there is no public transport to which I can resort?
    2. Will the money I spend on this tax be spent on the roads I use daily, or will it be swallowed up by metropolitan projects, once again leaving the country behind?
    3. Are we still paying the 3x3 road tax introduced years ago for a similar scheme?
    4. What will be the cost of running the scheme?
    5. Do I get a discount because my car weighs less than the truck using the same road and therefore causes less damage?
    6. Will my boss be encouraged to change my working hours so that I can travel in off peak hours and avoid the proposed higher charges for peak hour travel?
    7. If I am a sales rep, delivery driver or courier company can i pass the cost on to the end user?
    8. Do we get a refund if infrastructure projects run over budget and over time (ie failing to complete a contract in the quoted time)?


    Any other thoughts?

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    A noble idea but I fear a bureaucratic nightmare of larger proportions than the insulation stuff up.

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    Do I get a discount if I drive very fast so that I spend the least amount of time on the road?

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    The idea is now totally feasible with GPS monitoring. It is an extension of the French idea that motoring is a cash cow and should be milked for all it's worth. The system would be no more difficult to run than the current road and tunnel toll schemes, and could be coming to a neighbourhood near you shortly. Be Afraid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheusz2000 View Post
    I'm all for more spending on infrastructure, God knows we need it, but I see a few problems with this proposal.


    1. Do I get a discount if I am forced to drive because there is no public transport to which I can resort?


    Of course! We'll deposit your money in a Nigerian Bank account of your choice!


    1. Will the money I spend on this tax be spent on the roads I use daily, or will it be swallowed up by metropolitan projects, once again leaving the country behind?


    Suuure. We'll invest the money in speed cameras we'll plant along the way to improve the landscape and combat monotony which we all know is a cause of accidents.



    1. Are we still paying the 3x3 road tax introduced years ago for a similar scheme?


    Noo way. This is a completely new scheme we call 9 which of course you know it's the square root of 81.


    1. What will be the cost of running the scheme?


    The cost of the scheme is going to be exactly equal to your superannuation entitlements plus the tax refund for the years you've got left in the workforce.



    1. Do I get a discount because my car weighs less than the truck using the same road and therefore causes less damage?


    Absolutely. There will be a weight surcharge though if your GVM is under 2 ton, so we strongly recommend you look into car pooling with fat bastards.


    1. Will my boss be encouraged to change my working hours so that I can travel in off peak hours and avoid the proposed higher charges for peak hour travel?


    Totally. We'll fry the bastard if he doesn't send his limmo to pick you up. Actually we'll send the Governor general's limmo to pick everybody up, just be patient, your area is scheduled between 2020 in the evening and spring 2031.


    1. If I am a sales rep, delivery driver or courier company can i pass the cost on to the end user?


    Hey, you're allowed to pass anything you can get away with to the customer even if you work from home. Everybody else is doing it already. We ain't sayin nuffin.


    1. Do we get a refund if infrastructure projects run over budget and over time (ie failing to complete a contract in the quoted time)?


    Ahem. Don't push it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    Do I get a discount if I drive very fast so that I spend the least amount of time on the road?

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    I have always believed that if one crosses a railway line at 100mph instead of 30mph one has 1/3rd of a chance of being hit by a train spending 1/3rd of the time on the crossing so I go with John on this,Andy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alhantos View Post
    I have always believed that if one crosses a railway line at 100mph instead of 30mph one has 1/3rd of a chance of being hit by a train spending 1/3rd of the time on the crossing so I go with John on this,Andy.
    The odds of having a spectacular collision however are substantially increased........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    The idea is now totally feasible with GPS monitoring. It is an extension of the French idea that motoring is a cash cow and should be milked for all it's worth. The system would be no more difficult to run than the current road and tunnel toll schemes, and could be coming to a neighbourhood near you shortly. Be Afraid!
    How does this GPS monitoring work? Does the vehicle need to have a GPS device? My 2CV doesn't have the power to run a GPS device.

    Is there an exemption for horses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    How does this GPS monitoring work? Does the vehicle need to have a GPS device? My 2CV doesn't have the power to run a GPS device.

    Is there an exemption for horses?

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    A 2CV requires a GPS with a Clockwork Module. It is interlocked with the push start ignition so that the vehicle won't start if you haven't wound the GPS up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    A 2CV requires a GPS with a Clockwork Module. It is interlocked with the push start ignition so that the vehicle won't start if you haven't wound the GPS up.
    Not much different to now. The only way the 2CV goes is if you wind up JBN.

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    I feel it is time for the AF community to become proactive.
    We need politicians addresses and start to become a pressure group.
    Write letters NOT email
    Too many groups out there sway the thinking.
    Somehow the bozo ideas get through.

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    it's ludicrous to say the least............... So what are they trying to hide from the media that they'd release something as hair brained as this. There would easily be 15million vehicles on the roads........... Just how much would it cost to implement this across 15million vehicles ... Let alone the enforcement of use (which would be impossible). Let alone the facilities to upload from 15million vehicles daily.

    The whole article is just a media beatup .... with no solid research into the impossibility of implementing such a system.
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    Icon12 In line with the times...

    These days you might get a night-hood * for thinking up a scheme like that I suppose.

    * wonder if that would be worn over or under the paper-bag!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    A 2CV requires a GPS with a Clockwork Module. It is interlocked with the push start ignition so that the vehicle won't start if you haven't wound the GPS up.
    The clockwork module is found only on the Charlestons and optionally fitted to the last of the Portuguese cars. Everything else was available with a factory sundial from 1957, except for the Sahara models, which could be fitted with two sundials. IIRC, only printed calendars were available for keeping time up to '57, and became standard fit on the Belgian AZAM models in '63.

    More seriously- you guys pay one hell of a lot of money in tax on fuel. Anyone have a breakdown on where it all goes?
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    Well the idea has its merits for "out of towners".
    Lower fuel prices, lower registration costs, (guess the third party component wouldn't decrease).
    I'm guessing it will be monitored by number plate scanners.
    Take some time to roll out the required number of scanners but what a joy for Big Brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    The clockwork module is found only on the Charlestons and optionally fitted to the last of the Portuguese cars. Everything else was available with a factory sundial from 1957, except for the Sahara models, which could be fitted with two sundials. IIRC, only printed calendars were available for keeping time up to '57, and became standard fit on the Belgian AZAM models in '63.

    More seriously- you guys pay one hell of a lot of money in tax on fuel. Anyone have a breakdown on where it all goes?
    It certainly doesn't go on road funding, because if it did we would have the best roads in the world, not the goat tracks that we currently have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    The clockwork module is found only on the Charlestons and optionally fitted to the last of the Portuguese cars. Everything else was available with a factory sundial from 1957, except for the Sahara models, which could be fitted with two sundials. IIRC, only printed calendars were available for keeping time up to '57, and became standard fit on the Belgian AZAM models in '63.

    More seriously- you guys pay one hell of a lot of money in tax on fuel. Anyone have a breakdown on where it all goes?
    We have about 7000 politicians in Australia (including elected municipal ones). How many have you got in California?

    Goes into general revenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    The clockwork module is found only on the Charlestons and optionally fitted to the last of the Portuguese cars. Everything else was available with a factory sundial from 1957, except for the Sahara models, which could be fitted with two sundials. IIRC, only printed calendars were available for keeping time up to '57, and became standard fit on the Belgian AZAM models in '63.

    More seriously- you guys pay one hell of a lot of money in tax on fuel. Anyone have a breakdown on where it all goes?

    Sure we do. It goes into the general breakdown of all systems aka tax payer funded impossible to justify gobledygook ideas our politicians come up with when overseas on study holidays with their partners (legal or not) in five star hotels with casinos on the ground floor and strip clubs on the top floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo View Post
    We have about 7000 politicians in Australia (including elected municipal ones). How many have you got in California?

    Goes into general revenue.
    There is a saying here that "if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys". So that we don't end up with monkeys as politicians, we pay them a lot of money. That's where a lot of the fuel revenue goes. It hasn't worked but we do have well paid monkeys.

    The motorists on the otherhand are going apeshit with all the taxes that we pay. If we weren't so broke, we could probably afford another part of the monkey, but we have to start somewhere. Apeshit it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo View Post
    We have about 7000 politicians in Australia (including elected municipal ones). How many have you got in California?

    Goes into general revenue.
    Realistically? Probably about the same. I would bet that just the Metro Los Angeles area sucks up 1/3 of all pols by itself.

    Here the state portion of our gas tax makes a pretense at going to road funds. Both the state and federal legislatures found out that they could write IOUs for that money and then "borrow" it to fund some other damn social program. We used to have some of the best roads and support infrastructure in the world. Now? Phittt. 27of85 mentions goat tracks. You're lucky. Try the 5 just south of LA before the 101. Or the 405 leading into the San Fernando Valley. I've got more. A lot more.

    I had better stop here before I rage stroke. Let's just say I'm not for the idea of road user fees on top of all the other taxes, fees, and fines we all pay. And pay. And pay.
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