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    Yesterday I came across a small roundabout in a back street in Richmond with stop signs in all directions .I assume the roundabout rule applies after stopping .I have only seen 4 way stop signs before in America [but without the roundabout]

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    There's one in Artarmon, Sydney.

    Nobody knows what to do - seen so many arguments, given that it is quite a busy road!

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    What names are the cross roads in Richmond
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    What names are the cross roads in Richmond
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    There's one in Artarmon, Sydney.

    Nobody knows what to do - seen so many arguments, given that it is quite a busy road!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    There's one in Artarmon, Sydney.

    Nobody knows what to do - seen so many arguments, given that it is quite a busy road!

    https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Ar...uth+Wales&z=19
    I have seen people here get confused at traffic lights with flashing amber or red lights
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    Icon11 What actually happened is always debateable ....

    Just stop and proceed when safe, with the overriding need to give way to traffic on your right - could keep the civil lawyers happy or be written off as just a conflict where everyone is expected to lie, so unsafe to prosecute??

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    Funny this should be discussed today, I also came across one yesterday for the first time in Australia. It was at Southport on the Gold Coast.

    And four cars arrived at pretty much exactly the same time......

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    Round about laws have changed in VIC from give way to right to give way to whom ever is already in the round about.
    So if like in the Idiot thread where he hit the gutter and stopped if someone came from his right even if they say entered before him and were doing a u-turn and hit him they are still at fault.
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    I remember when I was a kid and we would go to Brisbane that there a number of intersections that my parents hated because of the then practice of Qld having four way stop signs. Somehow or another we survived unscathed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    What names are the cross roads in Richmond
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    I think in the America whoever is there first is supposed to go first ,but in reality probably the biggest 4wd goes first

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    Quote Originally Posted by 63-1092 View Post
    Round about laws have changed in VIC from give way to right to give way to whom ever is already in the round about.
    I think that is supposed to be National harmonisation now.
    It is certainly the rule in NSW.
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    G'day,
    there was an email doing the rounds a couple of years ago, the one with the most guns on the rack in the rear window has right of way...

    must have been from the USA, where they have no idea of ...well, just no idea.
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    The Artarmon one has been there quite a while now. It is part of Willoughby Council's insane "traffic calming", along with an excess of chicanes. The regular users give the first to arrive the right of way, but from time to time a might-is-right type shows up.

    The main result from the use of stop signs as traffic so-called calming devices is a generation of cranky drivers who ignore them. There was once a time when a stop sign indicated danger.

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    At intersections with 4 stop signs, remember the SAS motto - "Who Dares Wins". Works a treat with me.

    In fact, I have distilled the RTA rule book into 3 easy to remember rules"

    1. Who Dares Wins (for all roundabouts, intersections)
    2. Don't get caught (for all the other rules)
    3. No prizes for second (basically, don't get killed or hurt)


    Covers everything really.

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    Mythbusters did the 'math' and found that a roundabout was more efficient at moving vehicles through an intersection that a 4 way stop. Having done a little bit of driving in Canada - 4 way stops seem to work - but I'm buggered if I know how. . .

    Ironically, the area of Canada I was in was moving away from 4 way stops and enlisted the local ice hockey team to do the 'how to use a roundabout' TV ads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    The Artarmon one has been there quite a while now. It is part of Willoughby Council's insane "traffic calming", along with an excess of chicanes. The regular users give the first to arrive the right of way, but from time to time a might-is-right type shows up.

    The main result from the use of stop signs as traffic so-called calming devices is a generation of cranky drivers who ignore them. There was once a time when a stop sign indicated danger.
    I find those "traffic calming" areas to be fantastic if you treat them as car adventure centres. I love the chicanes where two lanes go into one. The game is to see how fast you can go AND stay in the lanes as long as possible, making a quick flick turn through the chicane to get back to your lane. The 2CV is dumb enough to enjoy this type of driving and any oncoming vehicles give you right of way as they are sure you are about to topple over. They sharpen your steering skills.

    When my daughter was learning to drive, I would get her to go through them with gusto. Very good practice for vehicle avoidance drills in flicking the car quickly to avoid obstacles. Raised her confidence a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2353 View Post
    Mythbusters did the 'math' and found that a roundabout was more efficient at moving vehicles through an intersection that a 4 way stop. Having done a little bit of driving in Canada - 4 way stops seem to work - but I'm buggered if I know how. . .

    Ironically, the area of Canada I was in was moving away from 4 way stops and enlisted the local ice hockey team to do the 'how to use a roundabout' TV ads.
    I like the larger round-a-bouts as they stream traffic efficiently and safely, some of the very small ones we have in Australia cause problems to the cautious drivers as the aggressive drivers enter and bear down on them, many older drivers avoid small roundabouts for that reason preferring a light controlled intersection if they can find one on their visiting/shopping forays.

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    The stop sign, after all, is just a temporary delay......
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    I had a real scary mate once who always maintained that a yellow light was "just a guide" ...

    Getting back to where we were, paused at the roundabout, does anybody else see a potential problem here? It's been like this for about two years now ...

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    No problem at all as both have a Give Way sign. There's two single lane bridges over the Mullen Mullen creek near our place and only until recently did they instal a give way sign at one side only, before it was first in, as in your case, first in second has to give way. Though some better lane marking and extra signage to show single lane would help, not that it matters if you hit the car already within the two give way signs as its always gonna be your fault.
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    ... unless you say that you got there first (y'r honour).

    I'm just concerned that one day, I'm going to come across carloads of dead bodies who arrived at opposite ends at the same time, and died waiting for the impasse to be resolved, or whose brains exploded trying to figure out who goes first. And it's totally unnecessary, given that it's on the only road into and out of a bush town -- if you think of it as a telephone box, or any other single-server process, then good etiquette, good queuing theory and good ol' common sense all say that you process output ahead of input, so you save taxpayers' money and eliminate the risk of a logical stalemate (or even worse, of enriching a lawyer or two) by only posting a Give Way sign on the way in.

    It's why I never have twinges of conscience about stepping on the toes of people rushing to crowd into the lift that I'm trying to get out of. Public transport commuters -- take heart!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr bern View Post
    I had a real scary mate once who always maintained that a yellow light was "just a guide" ...
    I don't stop for red lights anymore since my wife banned me from going to brothels.

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