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    They are getting ready to sign their agreement in the next couple of weeks. Renault will use Bolloré batteries (which are lithium/polymer). They will work together to internationally develop the Autolib' rental concept which Renault will use as a trailblazer into electric car adoption. The Bluecar used in Autolib' in France will be made in Renault's factory in Dieppe and they will jointly develop a 3 seater electric vehicle to be branded Renault.

    The Bolloré Group is probably not well known in Australia but is one of Franc's larger industrial groups with a turnover of around 10 billion euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    They are getting ready to sign their agreement in the next couple of weeks. Renault will use Bolloré batteries (which are lithium/polymer). They will work together to internationally develop the Autolib' rental concept which Renault will use as a trailblazer into electric car adoption. The Bluecar used in Autolib' in France will be made in Renault's factory in Dieppe and they will jointly develop a 3 seater electric vehicle to be branded Renault.

    The Bolloré Group is probably not well known in Australia but is one of Franc's larger industrial groups with a turnover of around 10 billion euros.
    Thanks for this Gerry and hope you and yours had a good Christmas!

    The "Autolib'" concept is the automatic battery swap system for quick recharge is it? The one they were developing with the Australian company that seemed to go quiet about a year ago?

    Do you know how their electric vehicle trial in Israel is going by any chance?

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    Yes, a good but quiet Christmas with just minor arguments about the strategy of Renault at table.
    No, Autolib' is the service in Paris for kerbside rental of electric cars. See how it works at their web site
    https://www.autolib.eu/en/

    Renault have abandoned battery swapping and dumped the Israelis. That company was called "Better Place" Its death agonies are described at
    Better Place - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    They threw money around, sponsoring research in lots of places including Melbourne.
    The intrinsic flaw in battery swapping is return on capital. The batteries are expensive. If you are to provide a swapping service at a large number of exchange stations to give users no restrictions on access to energy then the capital locked up is enormous. With petroleum products it is essentially the
    energy source that is finaced in the delivery chain. With batteries, it is also the much larger capital cost of the energy carrier.
    While the electric car scene is in early evolution battery technology is developing and standardisation makes little sense, with competition between car brands, different models and constant improvement. That just adds to the stocks that have to be carried and we are a long way from critical mass for any one model.
    Tesla are also financing battery stocks and swapping stations exclusive to their vehicles. Whether that is sustainable remains to the market to prove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    Yes, a good but quiet Christmas with just minor arguments about the strategy of Renault at table.
    No, Autolib' is the service in Paris for kerbside rental of electric cars. See how it works at their web site
    https://www.autolib.eu/en/

    Renault have abandoned battery swapping and dumped the Israelis. That company was called "Better Place" Its death agonies are described at
    Better Place - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    They threw money around, sponsoring research in lots of places including Melbourne.
    The intrinsic flaw in battery swapping is return on capital. The batteries are expensive. If you are to provide a swapping service at a large number of exchange stations to give users no restrictions on access to energy then the capital locked up is enormous. With petroleum products it is essentially the
    energy source that is finaced in the delivery chain. With batteries, it is also the much larger capital cost of the energy carrier.
    While the electric car scene is in early evolution battery technology is developing and standardisation makes little sense, with competition between car brands, different models and constant improvement. That just adds to the stocks that have to be carried and we are a long way from critical mass for any one model.
    Tesla are also financing battery stocks and swapping stations exclusive to their vehicles. Whether that is sustainable remains to the market to prove.
    Thanks for the information Gerry.

    I have my doubts about the viability of swapping stations, as you might too. We'll see. They are carrying the capital cost of the batteries, the risk of getting poorly treated ones returned to them, as well as the cost of recharging them.

    I wondered why the trial in Israel had gone quiet. Thanks for the information. They were talking of doing it in Canberra too, but announced the withdrawal of their battery partner a year or so ago if I recall.

    Those Paris kerbside rental cars seem a good idea in a city like Paris. The birds love them from what I remember.

    There's a new BMW electric with a small engine that just drives a generator system so does away with the dual drive cost of the conventional hybrid, I gather, which makes some sense too.

    Interesting to see the evolution of this area.

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