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    Planning on doing another trip to Europe for the car enthusiast in 3 to 4 years time. I have put together a small list of events to attend; motor museums: places of interest; and must do drives.

    Just looking for input from those that has been, or can think of any must do activities on such a trip.

    Also good places to stay and eat,

    Events to attend:
    Isle of Man TT
    Goodwood Festival of Speed
    Goodwood Revival
    Le Man Classic
    Dutch TT (MotoGP)
    Monaco F1 Historics
    Automedon Classic Car Show


    Motor Museums:
    Schumpf Collection, Mulhouse, France
    Mercedes Museum, Stuttgart, Germany
    Porsche Museum, Stuttgart, Germany
    Royal Car Museum, Monaco
    Italian National Auto Museum, Turin, Italy
    Dutch National Auto Museum, The Hague, Netherlands
    Donnington Grand Prix Collection, Donnington, England
    British Motor Cycle Museum, Brickehill, England
    Morgan Motor Company, Malvern, England
    Auto & Technik Museum, Sinsheim, Germany
    The Nicolis Museum, Villafranca di Veronia, Italy
    Riga Motor Museum, Riga, Latvia
    MC Collection Motor Cycle Museum, Sollentuna, Sweden
    August Horch Museum, Zwickau, Germany
    Classic Remise, Berlin Germany
    Mahy Museum, Leuze-en-Hainaut, Belgium
    The Belgium National Auto Museum, Brussels, Belgium
    Jaguar Heritage Museum, Coventry, England
    Tatra Technical Museum, Koprivnice, Czech Republic
    Mille Miglia Museum, Brescia, Italy
    Museu de Caramulo, Caramulo, Portugal
    Spa Francorchamps Racetrack Museum, Stavelot, Belgium
    Bentley Wildfowl & Motor Museum, Halland, England
    Museum of the 24 Hours of Le Mans, Le Mans, France
    Museo Tazio Nuvolari, Mantura, Italy
    Conservatoire National de Vehicles Historiques, Diekirch, Luxembourg
    Laverda Museum, Lisse, Netherlands
    Museo Historia Automocion de Salamanca, Salamanca, Spain
    Volkswagen Autostadt, Wolfsburg, Germany
    Skoda Museum, Mlada Boleslav, Czech Republic

    Places of interest to visit:
    Molsheim Home of Bugatti
    Jim Clarke Room, Duns Scotland
    Joey Dunlop Memorial Gardens, Ballymoney, Northern Ireland

    Must do drives:
    Stelvio Pass, South Tyrol, Italy
    Nurburgring Germany
    The Col la Bonnette, Alps Maritime
    Furka Pass, Central Swiss Alps
    Hahntennjoch, Vorarlberg, Austria
    Klassen Pass, Central Swiss Alps
    Route 500 Scharzwald Hochstrasse, Black forest. Germany
    Route Nepolean, Alps Maritime
    San Bernardino Pass, Central Swiss Alps
    Silvrettastasse, Vorarlberg, Austria
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    Add to the list Finnish WRC round, whatever they call it now. The 1000 Lakes for the Rallynistia! Much fun getting rental cars airbourne before the roads are closed. And the Col de Torino, Monte Carlo Rally. Brendan.

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    Thanks Bluey504

    I have added a few of those to the list.

    Also come up with a few more myself.

    Monaco Historic Grand Prix
    Monaco F1 Grand Prix
    Historic Monte Carlo Rally
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    As if you need any more museums - I am told this is a great place for aviation and motoring.

    Brooklands Museum

    Brooklands, home of pre WW1 motorsport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman View Post
    As if you need any more museums - I am told this is a great place for aviation and motoring.

    Brooklands Museum

    Brooklands, home of pre WW1 motorsport.

    Cheers.
    Thanks Fordman have added it to the list.

    Keep them coming.
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    Retromobile Paris
    l'Epoqauto Lyon
    Museums
    Auto Musée Reims France
    Beaulieu Car Museum Hampshire UK
    LE MANOIR DE L'AUTOMOBILE Loheac France

    Drive
    Bastia - Ajaccio Corsica.
    Place de l'Etoile Paris at 6pm Friday (3 circuits)
    M25 London 6pm Friday - 1 circuit
    Péripherique Paris any time 1 circuit
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    Retromobile Paris
    l'Epoqauto Lyon
    Museums
    Auto Musée Reims France
    Beaulieu Car Museum Hampshire UK
    LE MANOIR DE L'AUTOMOBILE Loheac France

    Drive
    Bastia - Ajaccio Corsica.
    Place de l'Etoile Paris at 6pm Friday (3 circuits)
    M25 London 6pm Friday - 1 circuit
    Péripherique Paris any time 1 circuit
    Thanks Gerry

    Will add these to my list.

    I have driven the M25 and I would imagine it would resemble a car park at 6PM Fridays
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    Yes and think how exciting the drive would be weaving through the gaps on a Ducati.
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    Found another event tonight:

    Silverstone Classic
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    Came across an article that I had saved from a Pommy Car Magazine titled "5 Drives to do before you die"

    Nurburgring Germany; Stelvio Pass Northern Italy; Buttertubs Pass, North Yorkshire, England; Betws-y-Coed triangle, North Wales.

    I already have the first two on my list and have added the last three.

    I have also added the Millau Viaduct, Millau, Southern France as a place of interest.
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    some others.............

    - C42 - Champs Elysee, paris - Citroen showroom & Display building
    - any Formula 1 round
    - any World Rally Championship round
    - BMW museum in Munich

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    Thanks Gembee have added those.
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    Join the annual race to run across the Viaduc de Millau.
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    What are the chances of public getting into the Peugeot garage? The video of that place is amazing.

    I'm planning a trip there in a few years when the 504s turn 50. Anyone know if an event is planned?!

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    Some more suggestions for you (having done this a few times previously myself!)

    The Matra Museum in Romorantin (Loire valley)

    Biscaretti collection (Museo Nazionale del'Automobile) in Turin

    Monza and stand on the old banking (especially if you do go to Brooklands as well)
    Spa (both the current circuit and also go for a drive back toward Masta and Stavelot on what is the original road circuit.
    Imola and find the Senna Memorial (it is on the inside of the circuit, just a bit further around Tamburello from where he went off)


    If you are going to do the Stelvio Pass, don't do it at a weekend, while the atmosphere at the top is amazing, the traffic (especially motorbikes) is crazy. Week days are not so bad

    If you want to lap the 'ring, check first that it will be open when you get there. Often it is closed to the public when manufacturers use it for private testing.

    Walk down the Champs Elysses and spend some time in the Peugeot and Citroen Showrooms. They are more like miniature museums!

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    Oops - missed the obvious one

    Le Mans 24 hours. That is a MUST DO!

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    Chateau Sauvigny du Beaune. Big collection of Abarths, motorbikes and jet fighters

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    Thanks 1915 type 153.

    Thats what I'm after things to do that other have been to and recommend.
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    My brothers and I did the Clo du Bonnette in 2009 in my Big 6. Boiled twice on the way up but on the way down. Let's just say it was incredible fun.

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    Might be worth checking out thanks to a thread by Michael r about sleeping in a Citroen

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    If you're doing the Route Napoleon, you must stop at Citromuseum in Castellane.

    Of course if you're going on such a great trip, you'll need to lease a car, and there is only one place for AFers to lease from!

    Talk to the ever helpful Michelle at Eurogroup in Perth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    If you're doing the Route Napoleon, you must stop at Citromuseum in Castellane.

    Of course if you're going on such a great trip, you'll need to lease a car, and there is only one place for AFers to lease from!

    Talk to the ever helpful Michelle at Eurogroup in Perth!
    Thanks Craig

    I have added the Citromuseum to the list.

    I had thought about our friends hire car business in the west. I also came across this by accident the other night

    RENAULT MASTER 2009*** HOLIDAY VAN IN BRISTOL UK - GREAT BUY | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Hobart Region - Huon Valley | 1028514972

    Still looking at all the options of things to do, and then will try and tie it all together, then worry about the logistics of getting from event to event.
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    Not harping, but the lease program is far better than hire. There are NO hidden costs and you pay it all up front before you leave Australia and in Aussie dollars. If you drive the car 100km or 10,000km, no one cares. There are no excess distance charges. The car is registered and insured in your name. You get two sets of keys etc etc etc.... And you know if you request and sign a contract for a specific car, that is what you will get - not some other car because "the car you requested is not available".

    Just putting this info here too for the benefit of other readers.

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    I recall changing a drive shaft for an AF member who chose to buy a renault master in the UK and then tour Europe. Using a second hand car may not be the best choice for a trouble free holiday. If you can rent or borrow a classic car from an enthusiast in Europe, it is less likely to have hidden defects.
    I agree with Craig, the WA solution is the most cost effective and flexible and it gives you a new car. Its only downside is the red number plates which mark it everywhere as a tourist's car.
    I remind again to be street smart and recognise that crime rates are rising in the Mediterranean countries and in France, partly encouraged by high youth unemployment (over 50% in Spain) and migrant groups from Eastern Europe who have little other sources of income. Merge with the locals and park off street in secure parks when possible. It is worth it.
    It is also prudent to drive in congested cities with the doors and windows locked. At night, with little traffic beware of cars positioned ahead and behind you that might invoke a minor shunt. Once you have stopped you are vulnerable to demands for money, theft of wallets, handbags and the car. Best to wriggle out, record the car number plates and call the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    I recall changing a drive shaft for an AF member who chose to buy a renault master in the UK and then tour Europe. Using a second hand car may not be the best choice for a trouble free holiday. If you can rent or borrow a classic car from an enthusiast in Europe, it is less likely to have hidden defects.
    I agree with Craig, the WA solution is the most cost effective and flexible and it gives you a new car. Its only downside is the red number plates which mark it everywhere as a tourist's car.
    I remind again to be street smart and recognise that crime rates are rising in the Mediterranean countries and in France, partly encouraged by high youth unemployment (over 50% in Spain) and migrant groups from Eastern Europe who have little other sources of income. Merge with the locals and park off street in secure parks when possible. It is worth it.
    It is also prudent to drive in congested cities with the doors and windows locked. At night, with little traffic beware of cars positioned ahead and behind you that might invoke a minor shunt. Once you have stopped you are vulnerable to demands for money, theft of wallets, handbags and the car. Best to wriggle out, record the car number plates and call the police.
    Thanks for the heads up and tips Gerry.

    I can see how the W.A. solution is the most flexible way to go for a trouble free holiday.

    I was thinking about buying a classic car but as you say there is always the reliability problem and it needs to be thought out properly, along with getting spares if the worse happens.

    I have driven from Tasmania to Townsville in Queensland in a 1975 Renault R12 back in 1992 so have had some experience of doing long trips in older cars.
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