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    I solved a mystery today. Well, half solved.

    At the French Car Day I noticed another DS had a bezel around the ignition key reading "Off, Accessory, On, Start", mine only as a chrome bezel. I have had this '73 Ds23 Manual for two years and did not know about the accessory position. Actually I suspected there was but found no mention of it in driver's handbook or wiring diagrams.

    It explains some strange behaviour as the ignition coil was connected to a power source live in Acc and On. This wire is part of the main loom near the coil. I now have the coil connected to another wire I was using to power the electric radiator fan as it is live only in "on" position.

    What was the "Acc" feed intended for in the engine compartment? Was the fan connected to "Acc"?

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    So, now I would like to connect the radio to "Acc". The trouble is I have found the "Acc" lead at the multi-plug coming from ignition switch but can not see where it goes from there. It is black with a blue sleeve. Does anyone know where I should connect the radio?

    I do not like the wiring of this car. It is in reasonable condition but this mix of multi plugs, spade connectors and bullet connectors is bizarre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    I solved a mystery today. Well, half solved.

    At the French Car Day I noticed another DS had a bezel around the ignition key reading "Off, Accessory, On, Start", mine only as a chrome bezel. I have had this '73 Ds23 Manual for two years and did not know about the accessory position. Actually I suspected there was but found no mention of it in driver's handbook or wiring diagrams.

    It explains some strange behaviour as the ignition coil was connected to a power source live in Acc and On. This wire is part of the main loom near the coil. I now have the coil connected to another wire I was using to power the electric radiator fan as it is live only in "on" position.

    What was the "Acc" feed intended for in the engine compartment? Was the fan connected to "Acc"?

    So, now I would like to connect the radio to "Acc". The trouble is I have found the "Acc" lead at the multi-plug coming from ignition switch but can not see where it goes from there. It is black with a blue sleeve. Does anyone know where I should connect the radio?

    I do not like the wiring of this car. It is in reasonable condition but this mix of multi plugs, spade connectors and bullet connectors is bizarre.
    There's no "stop point" in the ignition switch, even if there is a set of contacts in the switch to allow an accessory position, so I can't see how this would work If it's for your radio, just hide an "on/off" switch someone and use that

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    Hmmm
    I have o say that i have never had a radio in my D's connected to the ignition switch, sorry not much help.
    I have attached the feed directly from the accessories terminal on the firewall/bulkhead behind the ashtray consol. (3rd nose D)
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    I attached the switched feed on my Sony to the switched live feed for the wipers. The constant feed for memory is attached to an always live wire. I have no need for radio/cd when the car is stopped.
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    Hi Michael,

    If the switch has the ACC connetor, it was always used for the radio in the old D's I had.

    If was so you could have the radio on without burning out your points or the coil.

    It would also power the cigarette lighter in those days as it was still considered Ok to smoke back then, so you could sit back enjoy the music while you light up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    I solved a mystery today. Well, half solved.

    At the French Car Day I noticed another DS had a bezel around the ignition key reading "Off, Accessory, On, Start", mine only as a chrome bezel. I have had this '73 Ds23 Manual for two years and did not know about the accessory position. Actually I suspected there was but found no mention of it in driver's handbook or wiring diagrams.

    It explains some strange behaviour as the ignition coil was connected to a power source live in Acc and On. This wire is part of the main loom near the coil. I now have the coil connected to another wire I was using to power the electric radiator fan as it is live only in "on" position.

    What was the "Acc" feed intended for in the engine compartment? Was the fan connected to "Acc"?

    So, now I would like to connect the radio to "Acc". The trouble is I have found the "Acc" lead at the multi-plug coming from ignition switch but can not see where it goes from there. It is black with a blue sleeve. Does anyone know where I should connect the radio?

    I do not like the wiring of this car. It is in reasonable condition but this mix of multi plugs, spade connectors and bullet connectors is bizarre.
    Hi Michael

    This is Hotroelectric on Daffy Duck's computer...

    The ignition switch you noticed is not factory, but aftermarket. No D had a marked ignition switch, never mind an accessory position. You could, if you wanted it, make a "flopping" relay to give you accessory feed for things like a radio, but Techbuy brought up a good point- you must be aware of eventually burning your points ( or causing damage to the module on some electronic ignitions) if you leave the ignition on for extended periods of time without running.

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    Hmmm, well mine has an Accessory position. It is true there is no détente in the rotation to clearly identify the position but the black/blue wire is live at about 20 degs from the Lock position then live again in the Run position.

    I occasionally sit in the car waiting for a passenger and that is a great time to sit and relax with ABC Radio National on. Maybe UFO's passengers are more punctual, or he is running late . I spliced my radio feed into this black/blue wire and problem solved.

    Thanks for all the suggestions from around the world!
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    I don't have a radio, satisfy myself listening to tinnitus and the other voices which speak to me from time to time....
    ahh, the joy and détente of life.

    An accessory position would've been a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richo View Post
    I don't have a radio, satisfy myself listening to tinnitus and the other voices which speak to me from time to time....
    ahh, the joy and détente of life.

    An accessory position would've been a good thing.

    richo
    I guess a radio was sort of essential for me as I inherited a rather mutilated dash board. Someone had previously fitted a radio using one of those can openers that leave a jagged edge

    You also mentioned in another thread a digital clock in another DS. You may enjoy the one I inherited.
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    My Safari dash had been cut out with the same can opener or maybe tin snips. Mega fugly.
    When converting to BVH, the dash had to be changed.
    No radio hole.

    cheers
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    I have a replacement dash panel in good unmolested condition but it needs re-finishing, so for now the hacked one will have to do. It did not clean up to badly though the butcher had not only hacked a radio slot but also enlarged the clock position.

    As you will see I got rid of the strange fader in the auxiliary panel and rationalised the switchgear a little. I have modified a spare interior light switch to build a hazard light system with a bit of red tape as a temporary identifier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    I have a replacement dash panel in good unmolested condition but it needs re-finishing, so for now the hacked one will have to do. It did not clean up to badly though the butcher had not only hacked a radio slot but also enlarged the clock position.

    As you will see I got rid of the strange fader in the auxiliary panel and rationalised the switchgear a little. I have modified a spare interior light switch to build a hazard light system with a bit of red tape as a temporary identifier.
    That's a transformation Michael, shows pride in your ride

    I'm in pretty much the same situation, who was that cretin with the tin-snips he certainly got around
    Mine is not as bad as yours, at least it approximates a single DIN hole which for the most part is covered by the Headunit surround., but the cretin slipped and put a gouge in the dash and a poor attempt at hiding.

    So, dash will come out for re-finishing, I'll do the glovebox lid and centre radio console at the same time so it all matches as I doubt I'll get a true original finish.

    With regard to music in the car, I couldn't do without my fix of Emma Ayres ABC 106.1 (Brisbane) on my morning drive to work

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