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    Icon5 C5 2.2 hdi 2006

    Looking at a wagon
    What are their nasty habits or failures .
    Hopefully not as bad as the Xantia ie window cables heater pipes heater matrix power steering leaks auto trans drama's , strut tops etc
    although trim looks a lot tackier and not as durable
    at 90,000k should it need timing belt, discs what else??

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    hi Archrival

    We've had a 2004 2.0l HDi wagon since new, so not exactly the same as what you are looking at but close.

    It's now done ~155k kms, and all in all it has been a happy ownership experience and we plan to hang on to the car. It has heaps of room and is a great car for long distance trips.

    In that time, the following faults spring to mind... most of which seem to be pretty common:
    - tailgate window latch failure;
    - climate control controller failure;
    - heater flap motor;
    - engine undertray has fallen off;

    Apart from that, the only other real problems have been:
    - immediately after getting timing belt done at 100k kms, it "slipped" a cog which fortunately didn't appear to do any internal damage to the motor - the job was re-done by the dealer in question;
    - managing to suck a rabbit (the dealer in Adelaide gave us a photo of the slightly decomposed bunny to prove it) into the air intake on trip into Adealide. Eventually the air intake hose into the engine collapsed causing it to lose power. An easy fix, however the part was hard to track down...

    Ours has leather trim, which has worn well.

    Had the fluid changed in the auto box and it is going fine.

    Only other thing that comes to mind is that the alloy wheels cannot be balanced by all tyre shops ... they need an adaptor which some have and some don't .

    Good luck!
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    Icon14 Thanks for the feedback Simon

    Sounds encouraging have you done any towing with the car As i will need to tow a 1500k trailer full of sheep quite regularly as our frisky rams are in demand .
    I was a little disappointed in the way the trim in the car I am looking at has lasted with the leather quite scruffy compared to the Xantia and the silver bits a bit scuffed up maybe a dog in the previous owners family.We will await the negotiating
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    The trim is actually surprisingly durable and the leather should clean up fairly well. The tops of the door trims sometimes lift and a few plastic bits have a soft feel coating that peels off easily i.e. door grab handles.

    Be wise to any coolant on the air side of the cooler leading to the air intake and any fuel migrating around the engine harness from the fuel filter. Both are bad news, but the model is otherwise no more trouble than any other C5. The 4 speed auto is the 4HP20, not the AL4. I've driven a couple of 2.2 wagons and I thought they rode very well, better than some other C5's. Lower control arm bushes can wear, sometimes due to LDS leakage, and then the car will feel quite woolly at speed - easy to fix and not expensive.

    You might like to check the towing limits to make sure it will do what you want.

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    Icon14 Thanks David

    Thanks for the details David I just am a little disappointed in the interior of the C5 compared to the Xantia I felt that I have treated the Xantia a bit harshly but the interior has stood up more than the C5 ( except for the fallie of door cappings)and looks crisper, could just be a design thing,
    but a diesel wagon would be so handy and a tad more economical than the v6 guzzler
    Tow bar looks like it has a braked max of 2000kg which should suffice for the 1/2 dozen inseminators
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCHRIVAL View Post
    Sounds encouraging have you done any towing with the car As i will need to tow a 1500k trailer full of sheep quite regularly as our frisky rams are in demand .
    I was a little disappointed in the way the trim in the car I am looking at has lasted with the leather quite scruffy compared to the Xantia and the silver bits a bit scuffed up maybe a dog in the previous owners family.We will await the negotiating
    That's a lot of weight for a modern....... I noticed Rod Slater had a C5 wagon going. There's a CX wagon for sale over east mind you, and I'll bet it will tow a lot more than a C5.
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    Icon12 pray enlighten me re cx safari

    Tell me more John but I bet it ain't an oiler and it ain't an auto
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCHRIVAL View Post
    Tell me more John but I bet it ain't an oiler and it ain't an auto
    Hi David,

    I saw it somewhere on the forum but can I find it again? It was a reference in a seemingly unrelated link in the last week.

    Anyway, it was, I think, C-matic and petrol. Not really what you'd want I imagine.

    So what weight can you tow with a C5 wagon?

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    Looks like 1200kg (braked) with a 75kg nose weight for 2.2 diesel.
    Information taken from sedan handbook, wagon may differ.
    Hope this helps.

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    The tow bar on the wagon I am investigating says 2000kg braked a little less than the 3800kg of the jeep or 2500 kg of the Mazda bravo but it is more than the Cadillac or the the little 16v er
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    Default C5 2.2 Hdi Wagon

    I have a late 2004 2.2 Hdi wagon which is on 199,000 km plus and about to go in for its 200,000 service.
    Owned it since 170,000 kms and must say no real problems.

    Timing belt had been changed at 90,000 and I had it changed at 190,000. I have replaced rotors with pads at 190,00 and was forced by the computer to refill the particulate filter chemical at 195,000.

    Other than above with normal servicing only problem has been with a breakage of an actuating rod in the anti pollution system behind the engine. A small piece of plastic on the end of the rod [which I think should have been metal] broke.

    Have not used it for towing but very happy

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    Check the error messages with a reader to see what the computer thinks (the plug is behind a panel in teh back of the glovebox). One about heater/glow plug relay is normal, but anything else should be investigated. Some of this model have had unsolveable electrical glitches that the dealer clears and it goes OK for a while and then comes back again. If it doesn't have this unusual problem then it is quite reliable.

    I would be surprised if it would comfortably tow your 1.5 t of sheep. The rating on the towbar is not the same as its legal towing capacity.

    More to the point, if you tow too heavy a weight, then you get the pleasure of watching your gearbox temperature gauge go up and then you have the fun of wondering what constitutes a 'too high a gear box temperature'.

    Mine is a hatch with the same engine and an auto box and the temperature goes up a fair bit with a tandem trailer on it, with a large and heavy, but empty cattle stock crate on it. I would suggest you bring your sheep with you on the next test drive. I hope you are not a NZer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikbm View Post
    Check the error messages with a reader to see what the computer thinks (the plug is behind a panel in teh back of the glovebox). One about heater/glow plug relay is normal, but anything else should be investigated. Some of this model have had unsolveable electrical glitches that the dealer clears and it goes OK for a while and then comes back again. If it doesn't have this unusual problem then it is quite reliable.

    I would be surprised if it would comfortably tow your 1.5 t of sheep. The rating on the towbar is not the same as its legal towing capacity.

    More to the point, if you tow too heavy a weight, then you get the pleasure of watching your gearbox temperature gauge go up and then you have the fun of wondering what constitutes a 'too high a gear box temperature'.

    Mine is a hatch with the same engine and an auto box and the temperature goes up a fair bit with a tandem trailer on it, with a large and heavy, but empty cattle stock crate on it. I would suggest you bring your sheep with you on the next test drive. I hope you are not a NZer.

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    What you can "practically" tow with a Citroen and what you can "legally" tow are two very different things due to the low ball-weight specification. This is not just a Citroen issue but is across most Euro (ie desirable !!) cars. The max weight is usually 70-90kg. Here in Oz the convention is to put 10% of the total load "on the ball" ie a 1200kg caravan will have a ball weight of 120kg. This is well outside the legal specs of a C5 but I'm guessing it would tow it easily.
    When I was looking to replace my BX with something bigger that would tow our Jayco camper I kept banging into this problem-you just can't legally tow anything above 800kg or so with a Citroen. For occasional towing I would just pretend I knew nothing about it but if your towing regularly......I dunno.

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