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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCHRIVAL View Post
    I think the question should be why???

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    It's worse than you think. Take a look where the inlet pipe goes from the air cleaner ............... It should "dissapear" down to a turbo charger ............ but it doesn't. That's a N/A diesel N/A diesels CX's give 2cv like performance

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    I am thinking of the principle of bolting a CX motor to an SM gearbox I know this is a legendary discussion but it is there in the flesh ie
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    CX diesel-CX turbo petrol or Diesel
    the idea just will not go away
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    Have a look on the SM lists on the yahoogroup server. These days you would stick a modern V6 or V8 in there if you could get one that fits. Bugger and old CX motor.... The engine bay fits a V6 .... A compact little supercharged V6 from a modern car should fit

    I'm pretty sure there was a popular diesel conversion (ritter ?) on SM's in the past. They used a turbo diesel and 6spd gearbox. I'm sure googl would find the information on these

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    There was a company in France that did diesel SM conversions, however IIRC their workshop burned a few years ago and they ceased to be. The conversion served two purposes - replacement of "fragile" SM engines and improved fuel economy.

    Below and linked are some photos of a converted car I saw in 2010. The car also had a six sp gearbox and the owner said it cruises very nicely on the highway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    There was a company in France that did diesel SM conversions, however IIRC their workshop burned a few years ago and they ceased to be. The conversion served two purposes - replacement of "fragile" SM engines and improved fuel economy.

    Below and linked are some photos of a converted car I saw in 2010. The car also had a six sp gearbox and the owner said it cruises very nicely on the highway.


    SM with a diesel engine by UFO1966, on Flickr
    Hi,

    I could just about live with an SM on that basis, however converting a V6 Xantia to the XUD-10 might be easier!

    At least the SM doesn't have the Xantia / 405 electrical problems!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCHRIVAL View Post
    Better question is Why did they do this?

    SM is such a classic why would you want to stuff around with it. One of its best feature was that wonderful Italian exhaust note.

    A diesel D or CX I can understand but a SM
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    my interest is still the clockwise anticlockwise thing and I agree a diesel turbo D would be the ducks nuts torque and economy less under bonnet heat perfect country cruiser
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCHRIVAL View Post
    my interest is still the clockwise anticlockwise thing and I agree a diesel turbo D would be the ducks nuts torque and economy less under bonnet heat perfect country cruiser
    They did some prototype SM's with the Maserati V8 didn't they?

    I could understand someone building one of those but a Diesel???

    Speaking of diesel D's can someone through some light on this. Many many years ago a Frenchman I knew who grew up in Paris and was and still is into French cars swears DS diesels existed.

    Says they were called the DS25, they were 2.5 litre diesels with automatic transmissions and were for the French taxi fleet only and were not for public sale. He says they were Citroen original and came about because the taxi industry complained about lack of leg and head room in the CX.

    All the books I've read and internet searches I've done have never confirmed them but he still swears thats true.
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    Doesn't the SM spin the right way If it does you could probably use it's gearbox to repower a DS with a different motor.

    DS diesels are possible. You use the diesel engine from a C35 .... that already spins the wrong way. The CX motor is less useful as it spins the direction a motor should

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    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Doesn't the SM spin the right way If it does you could probably use it's gearbox to repower a DS with a different motor.

    DS diesels are possible. You use the diesel engine from a C35 .... that already spins the wrong way. The CX motor is less useful as it spins the direction a motor should

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    That sound familier, I'm sure he said the DS25 engine was from a van. Was the C35 2.5 litre? He said they were not turbo charged as they were build for reliabilty not performance.

    I've heard of a company in France that fitted diesel heads on D's, apparently that wasn't uncommon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Better question is Why did they do this?

    SM is such a classic why would you want to stuff around with it. One of its best feature was that wonderful Italian exhaust note.

    A diesel D or CX I can understand but a SM
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    They did some prototype SM's with the Maserati V8 didn't they?

    I could understand someone building one of those but a Diesel???

    Speaking of diesel D's can someone through some light on this. Many many years ago a Frenchman I knew who grew up in Paris and was and still is into French cars swears DS diesels existed.

    Says they were called the DS25, they were 2.5 litre diesels with automatic transmissions and were for the French taxi fleet only and were not for public sale. He says they were Citroen original and came about because the taxi industry complained about lack of leg and head room in the CX.

    All the books I've read and internet searches I've done have never confirmed them but he still swears thats true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Doesn't the SM spin the right way If it does you could probably use it's gearbox to repower a DS with a different motor.

    DS diesels are possible. You use the diesel engine from a C35 .... that already spins the wrong way. The CX motor is less useful as it spins the direction a motor should

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    I have asked these questions before and the answers have been vague if your right Shane i can feel a new project on the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    True and at least one still exists - see
    http://netpratique.aforumfree.com/t2...te-voitures-an
    Fantastic I'm rapt. I've asked every Citroen nut I've met and no one has ever heard of a DS25. That one is 5 speed and I was told they were all autos. Could have been converted I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Fantastic I'm rapt. I've asked every Citroen nut I've met and no one has ever heard of a DS25. That one is 5 speed and I was told they were all autos. Could have been converted I guess.
    ...and here's a yellow four speed and a white five speed (the 5 speed looks like the same car Gerry linked)

    http://autos-prestige.bbgraf.com/t18...he-15-mai-2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    They did some prototype SM's with the Maserati V8 didn't they?

    I could understand someone building one of those but a Diesel???

    Speaking of diesel D's can someone through some light on this. Many many years ago a Frenchman I knew who grew up in Paris and was and still is into French cars swears DS diesels existed.

    Says they were called the DS25, they were 2.5 litre diesels with automatic transmissions and were for the French taxi fleet only and were not for public sale. He says they were Citroen original and came about because the taxi industry complained about lack of leg and head room in the CX.

    All the books I've read and internet searches I've done have never confirmed them but he still swears thats true.
    A DS Yeti!

    I googled " Citroen DS25 gazole " and came up with this:

    http://www.planete-citroen.com/forum...ad.php?t=89665


    http://citroenclubduperche.free.fr/dsback04gapho6.htm

    "DS25Gti turbo2 Intercooler
    adaptation du moteur CX25Gti"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Have a look on the SM lists on the yahoogroup server. These days you would stick a modern V6 or V8 in there if you could get one that fits. Bugger and old CX motor.... The engine bay fits a V6 .... A compact little supercharged V6 from a modern car should fit

    I'm pretty sure there was a popular diesel conversion (ritter ?) on SM's in the past. They used a turbo diesel and 6spd gearbox. I'm sure googl would find the information on these

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    Honda "J" engine might be a good choice. Very compact, reliable, readily available and not bad looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCHRIVAL View Post
    I have asked these questions before and the answers have been vague if your right Shane i can feel a new project on the way
    Don't tell me the V6 in your SM has died

    If your seriously thinking of doing something as horific as putting a gutless stinky diesel in there (why, why and why would you do that to an SM ). Why not investigate getting a bell housing made up to fit a modern V6 or V8. The modern direct injected donks from a commonbore for example are about 215kilawatts. There will be dozens of the bloody things in wreckers yards as the motors fitted to local cars, just go forever ..... they simply don't wear out or die. The hod rod shop in castlemaine builds bell housing adapters doesn't it

    What about a nice modern small capacity V8 and twin pipes to get some nice noise out the back if you don't want to stay with the Maserati.

    I'm sure Gerry Freed has posted an article before (lost in the crash) of a company the fully rebuild the Maserati with modern components fixing up all the problem areas and ships them out to customers "ready to use". Surely almost regardless of cost this is the way to go. Gee's I wish I could find Gerrys articles, there was a lot of details there, even down to the details of the sand casting of the block being a problem as they didn't clean the sand out well enough (or something crazy like that).

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    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    http://citroensmregembeau.free.fr/ch9/ch090200/rg01.htm

    Georges Regembeau is the man responsible for the diesel conversions. Great reading if you can understand French, but there's plenty of photos if you can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donat View Post
    http://citroensmregembeau.free.fr/ch9/ch090200/rg01.htm

    Georges Regembeau is the man responsible for the diesel conversions. Great reading if you can understand French, but there's plenty of photos if you can't.
    quite a story! there's also an advert offering to convert DS's to diesel.

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    Icon11 The SM is safe do not fret Shane

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Don't tell me the V6 in your SM has died

    If your seriously thinking of doing something as horific as putting a gutless stinky diesel in there (why, why and why would you do that to an SM ). Why not investigate getting a bell housing made up to fit a modern V6 or V8. The modern direct injected donks from a commonbore for example are about 215kilawatts. There will be dozens of the bloody things in wreckers yards as the motors fitted to local cars, just go forever ..... they simply don't wear out or die. The hod rod shop in castlemaine builds bell housing adapters doesn't it

    What about a nice modern small capacity V8 and twin pipes to get some nice noise out the back if you don't want to stay with the Maserati.

    I'm sure Gerry Freed has posted an article before (lost in the crash) of a company the fully rebuild the Maserati with modern components fixing up all the problem areas and ships them out to customers "ready to use". Surely almost regardless of cost this is the way to go. Gee's I wish I could find Gerrys articles, there was a lot of details there, even down to the details of the sand casting of the block being a problem as they didn't clean the sand out well enough (or something crazy like that).

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