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    My 1994 Series II suffered a suspension failure on Monday as I went over a speed hump here at Monash University. The drivers side front strut did the usual thing and has damaged the bonnet. My good mate Elliott has offered to fix it for me but my insurance company will probably write it off. It's being assessed on Tuesday so will find out then. It's such a nice car to drive so I am really reluctant to let it go. Test drove a 2011 C5 late last year but it was not as good to drive as the XM. So I am asking myself is it worth repairing the XM or should I just let it go or maybe buy another one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattle Dog View Post
    My 1994 Series II suffered a suspension failure on Monday as I went over a speed hump here at Monash University. The drivers side front strut did the usual thing and has damaged the bonnet. My good mate Elliott has offered to fix it for me but my insurance company will probably write it off. It's being assessed on Tuesday so will find out then. It's such a nice car to drive so I am really reluctant to let it go. Test drove a 2011 C5 late last year but it was not as good to drive as the XM. So I am asking myself is it worth repairing the XM or should I just let it go or maybe buy another one?
    Bugger. I thought the Series 2 cars had the later strut tops that didn't fail like this.

    My view is that the repair cost is important relative to how long you want to keep the car, rather than how much it costs relative to its (no doubt low) sale value. Buy something else and it will cost more and, if secondhand, will (if a bit cynical) be "someone else's troubles" packaged up for sale!

    So the issue is whether to claim on the insurance (too late for you to pull back perhaps) or just pay to get it fixed. Sounds as if the other side should be replaced too.

    I hope someone out there clarifies the Series 2 strut tops though - I thought they were redesigned.

    Good luck!
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    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the speed bump did not damage your car - it was the moment that broke the camel's back so to speak. Upper strut mounts fail due to excessive wear from running on spheres that are going or are already flat.

    JohnW - there was never (AFAIK) a redesign of the XM strut top as there was in the Xantia. It was only late Xantiae that had the bonnet punch prevention collar.
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    I keep reading this thread title from the corner of my eye as 'XM damaged by Cattle Dog'
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the speed bump did not damage your car - it was the moment that broke the camel's back so to speak. Upper strut mounts fail due to excessive wear from running on spheres that are going or are already flat.

    JohnW - there was never (AFAIK) a redesign of the XM strut top as there was in the Xantia. It was only late Xantiae that had the bonnet punch prevention collar.
    Ah, I thought the opposite and always pleased to be corrected. Another reason to resist buying an XM, not that they are common in Perth............

    Glad I replaced mine as a precaution, with later ones. The old ones looked perfect, but at 12 years..... Into the bin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Bugger. I thought the Series 2 cars had the later strut tops that didn't fail like this.

    My view is that the repair cost is important relative to how long you want to keep the car, rather than how much it costs relative to its (no doubt low) sale value. Buy something else and it will cost more and, if secondhand, will (if a bit cynical) be "someone else's troubles" packaged up for sale!

    So the issue is whether to claim on the insurance (too late for you to pull back perhaps) or just pay to get it fixed. Sounds as if the other side should be replaced too.

    I hope someone out there clarifies the Series 2 strut tops though - I thought they were redesigned.

    Good luck!
    Check your policy. If you have the option to buy back the wreck, then it might be reasonable to write it off. (done this with a couple of cars over the years) ask the assessor about it. The wreck will go to auction and some insurers will allow the owner a pre-bid

    We did this with a 504 rollover, bashed it out, stuck a windscreen in it with race tape and drove it to queensland where we wrecked it for bits.

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    There is a later style of mount with a larger ring underneath and most cars would have it fitted by now. My 1994 XM II has these and I removed a set from an early XM last year. These mounts are similar to the later Xantia parts and quite different to the early Xantia style without the steel ring at the bottom. I have a spare bonnet and a used set of front mounts/struts (not sure of strut diameter though) from that early XM if you get really stuck for them, but they are obviously in Sydney. Wasn't there a 2.0 petrol wreck in a Melbourne yard? It might yield bonnet, but the struts would be different.

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    Elliott has informed me that the top mounts had been replaced just prior to me buying the XM - about 5 years ago... Apparently there are reinforced top mounts available from suppliers in England? It would seem that the top mounts are almost a consumable item and should be replaced every 5 years or so just as a precaution. It would also be a sensible to install some protective mounts above the spheres. I seem to recall some one made some up here on Aussie Frogs. I checked with the Insurance lady and she confirmed that if the XM is written off it will be taken to an Auction centre. I will check my options with the insurance assessor as suggested. I appreciate all your of your input.

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    I know a guy, who regenerate the top strut mounts. He is from Lithuania though... But he ships all over the world.

    The cost of complex regeneration of one strut mount is 105 EUR + VAT(21%). I don't know how much ship will cost.

    http://elastomer.eu/en/strut-mounts.html

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    I have a Series II Xm that I might sell to Cattle Dog if he promises to treat it well.

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    Gee's I should have tried to get the XM here repaired under insurance (I still can't understand how a mechanical failure can be claimed as an insurance repair )..... I would have danced for joy as it was dragged away on a truck never to be seen again

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    I would be inclined to let that car go. That is a fairly major piece of damage and I can easily see the repair bill going well into the thousands. If the car is worth 7 grand, and will cost 5 to repair, it will go for sure.

    If it were me personally, I would take the dollars and put towards a new car, and the C5's are very cheap at present. They MUST be a nice ride, but probably not quite as nice as C5.

    It must be tough seeing a lovely car like that so badly damaged.

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    Thanks for the replies Nighty89 and SMM. Will consider my options on Tuesday, SMM your offer is very tempting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by qmusic View Post
    I would be inclined to let that car go. That is a fairly major piece of damage and I can easily see the repair bill going well into the thousands. If the car is worth 7 grand, and will cost 5 to repair, it will go for sure.

    If it were me personally, I would take the dollars and put towards a new car, and the C5's are very cheap at present. They MUST be a nice ride, but probably not quite as nice as C5.

    It must be tough seeing a lovely car like that so badly damaged.

    Chris Mortimer
    If the rest of the car is in good condition, changing the strut mounts is one of the (very few) simpler jobs on the XM. The bonnet should even bend back into presentable shape enough to be driven until you source another.

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    I've got an XM 24V 5 speed ( series one ) in Melbourne. I've recently spent $ 3k on new original struts and you can probably buy the XM from me for not much more than what I have just spent. 250 BHP.
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    My XM has been written off by my insurance company and it will be towed away next week. It's a sad end to a very nice to drive car. After weighing up the cost of repairing the front suspension and then waiting for the auto gear box to fail, it's done 190,000Km, I have decided to let it go. It has been a very memorable car and I will miss it. Thank you all for you assistance over the last 5 years of my XM ownership.

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    Commiserations Cattle Dog, no one wants to be in your situation.
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    with the pay out you could always buy a diesel XM

    think of the cheap motoring

    you may need to find it's better stable buddy somewhere along the line though and convert it to manual to really enjoy it

    well as much as you can enjoy the inferior brand
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    well as much as you can enjoy the inferior brand
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    My XM was collected this afternoon and taken to Tullamarine for disposal. Had trouble driving it to the tow truck as the front right strut tried to push up the bonnet even further. Because the body was so low the XM would not drive over the kerb onto the road. Had to reverse it and try to lift the body with the suspension lever. The XM Lifted enough to drive over kerb and onto the truck.

    The XM is no more...

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    I feel your pain.
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    Thanks for your sympathy Garth. Is the C5 a good car to replace my XM?

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    The C5's do not give the same ride as the XM. Also, they are not nearly as DIY as the XM. Those points aside, they feel like more modern cars, but pick your model carefully. Try a few and see how you like them. My preference for a superceded C5's would be a 6 speed car with either the 2.0 HDi or V6 petrol engines. What you could get depends on your budget, but the 6 speed gearboxes are an improvement over the earlier models That said, you get essentially the same comfort and safety package in all models from 2001 to 2008.

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    The C5 feels smaller than the XM. The X7 rides nicely but not quite as softly as the XM, however it does go around corners superbly. So I am saying that the C5 does have a nice refined ride, don't get me wrong. There is no way you can compare ID DS GS to XM BX CX. So I don't compare them to the modern cars either.

    The diesel 4 and 6 are both nice engines. Nice and quiet inside the car. Plenty of urge and good economy.

    Yes, I would happily own a C5 should anything happen to the XM, but a C6 would be better.

    I also quite like the DS4 too.
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    I'd suggest a nice CX or DS would be a massive upgrade

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