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    Hi,

    I did post something on French plates on the old Citroen Board, but it was in relation to age identification of my 2cv at the time.

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    My car has two original plates that live under the Aussie plates, and they are different nd came with the car many years ago.

    Rear is 6395TT75

    Front is 9768TT75

    Apparently 75 is the code of the place it was registered, so does anybody know where this is?

    TT is a tourist pass I assume, for somebody intending traveling and eventually importing a car abroad?

    But the two mismatching numbers. The plates appear to be the same age, and this is baffling.

    And do any of these digits actually tell you when the car was registered, for example a NSW plate AYV159 might be from 1969. Do the digits indicate anything?

    I was hoping to have the plates re made in Aussie standard issue, but found out today that there are too many digits. I was hoping for 6, but there are 8.

    Are there any experts on French plates out there?

    Chris Mortimer

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    The Belgian Mrs thinks 75 is Paris
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    The good news is that if you can't make any sense out of them, nor can "safety" cameras or tollways. Looks like some cheap motoring ahead...for a while.

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    Yes on two counts. TT are Tourist Transit scheme plates (the current versions are red with silver letters) and 75 is Paris and as the cars are originally registered by the Citroen team that do the TT stuff and they are in Paris you get 75.

    Perhaps these plates are not the originals for your car or at least one of them. Maybe they were attached for amusement value?
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    Chris, the different initial numbers suggest they're originally from two different cars, for as far as I know the one vehicle could not be contracted twice. TT is the tax-free / tourist designation, 75 as indicated in the previous post is Paris.
    Unfortunately I don't think you'll be able to date by these plates either, but I'm more than happy to stand corrected as I would imagine there are a few owners who would like to unscramble these plates. In recent years, the date of the tourist contract is indicated at the end of the plate as a mm/yy whereas at the time of these plates the year was indicated by an oval red background yyyy year sticker stuck on the boot lid / adjacent to the plate.
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    Chris,

    You might want to try this site:

    http://plaque.free.fr/f_e.html

    It may have the info you need to place an approx. date

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    Thanks guys and Steve, I had a look. That is a great site. Really interesting of you are in to plates.

    My car has always puzzled me.

    I got it in 97 as a near wreck, and the limited history that came with it ones back as far as 1994, with a couple of Chevron Motors invoices.

    The date has always been indicated as 1977, but for no real reason.

    There seems to be no way of accurately dating these cars.

    The plates have been an even bigger mystery. I was told recently that it is a Scottish import from the eighties, but again, have no proof at all.

    My final idea for the car was to get the original digits made up with current NSW plate and put back on the car, but that might not work anymore because there are eight digits on it, and in NSW there are only six allowed.

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    Well you wanted a number plate specialist huh!

    Okay here it goes.
    All the above were good but not perfect so I will give some more details.

    -First the fact you have 2 different numbers is not right, you can only have the same number front and rear.

    - The TT scheme is called "Transit Temporaire". In other words temporary transit, not only restricted to Tourism.

    - the 75 represents the Department the vehicle is registered in, in this case 75 = Seine department which does include Paris, but not only Paris.
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    Thanks Harisson, and others again.

    TT is clear, and so is 75. I would love to knowif the numbers represent any period or year, from the lower digits to the upper digits.

    This I have nevern been able to determine, and I feel the records for rego are inaccurate as a result.

    Do those numbers indicate any specific years? I am told 1977, but frankly they could mean anything.

    They could have been added as decoration for all I know.

    It is a mystery indeed those plates, and indeed the age of the vehicle.

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    You can apply, with appropriate payment, to the Citroen Conservatoire to have your car verified with official information, if you are so inclined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qmusic View Post
    Thanks Harisson, and others again.

    TT is clear, and so is 75. I would love to knowif the numbers represent any period or year, from the lower digits to the upper digits.

    This I have nevern been able to determine, and I feel the records for rego are inaccurate as a result.

    Do those numbers indicate any specific years? I am told 1977, but frankly they could mean anything.

    They could have been added as decoration for all I know.

    It is a mystery indeed those plates, and indeed the age of the vehicle.

    Chris M
    Yah- there is a series of charts on the site Steve directed you to, and it gives the first registration issued as of 1/1/xx, by department. I'm assuming yours would follow in alpha-numeric order, up to 12/31/xx. It seems to me that dating your plates won't be an overly accurate way of dating your car, though, because, as Phillipe mentions, the plates needed to match front to back, just like any other paired plate anywhere else in the world. I think the PO just wanted to up the Frenchness a bit, and didn't care if anyone would notice two different plates or not.

    One of the specific charts: http://plaque.free.fr/f_1970s.html
    and there are links at the top to other decades. I think I can safely guess your plates aren't any older than 1950.

    Craig's suggestion of contacting the Conservatoire is your most accurate bet. You pay, what, 25.00 or so, and you get a statement of what the car really is.

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    Gents, Merci!!

    Would either of you have a contact preferably something that can be emailed? should I google it?

    Shall put the matter to rest once and for all.

    Chris M

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    Chris, you might want to check out this link below:


    http://www.citroen.com.au/Resources/...servatoire.pdf
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    The old plates with the department number at the end tell you little about the age of the car. Under that scheme if the car was sold to a purchaser in anoher department he was obliged to re-register it in his home department and fit new plates. The only guide to age is the carte grise. Plates in France are the vehicle owner's responsibilty and property so there ae lots of spare ones around for decorative purposes. I have a dozen or so.
    Three years ago a nationwide scheme was introduced with plate numbers that last the life of the vehicle. Now if the vehicle changes state and it has to be reregistered, it loses its department plate and gets a national one. These have an optional space for a department number of your choice. It is common to see the Cote d"Azur rather than 75 in Paris because it looks chic and has a warm feel.
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    Gerry,

    I was hoping the you would spot this message and say something. Info on plates is interesting.

    Thanks very much for that piece of information and I will contact Catherine.

    I am not a mad man, but last night I had a dream that I had soughted out the age of my car, and is was first month 75, which could be right or totally wrong!!!! Since I purchased it, I was under the impression that it was 77 model.

    I would love to get to the bottom of it. Maybe she can help.

    Thanks again, Chris Mortimer

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