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    Default 2001 Citroen C5 V6 Auto with engine/transmission problem?

    Hi. I recently bought a 2001 C5 V6 automatic and while I'm loving most of the car it has started exhibiting some troublesome issues. Hoping the knowledgeable folks on here might be able to help out.

    On occasion the car will start juddering when standing idle, feeling like it is about to stall. The juddering gets progressively worse until I either start moving again or put the transmission into neutral. Juddering happens in both the normal and tiptronic modes.

    Possibly related to this, but occurring more rarely, is that the car has no power when I put the foot down after idling. Given that I'm usually idling at traffic lights or before pulling out onto another road this is quite inconvenient! Taking the foot off the gas pedal and waiting a couple seconds sometimes solves this, but sometimes the problem lasts for five seconds or more.

    Not sure if this is related to the above but there's also a strong smell of exhaust in the passenger compartment when getting into the car after it's been sitting still for a while. Also the fuel consumption is a lot worse than I expected, coming in at only 350km on a full tank.

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    Has anyone experienced something like this before? Can you give me a hint into what to get checked out? The car's currently with a mechanic and of course it is behaving perfectly. All they discovered were two emission warnings when plugging it into the diagnostic computer.

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    Coil pack?? Sounds like the car has a serious miss, unburnt fuel..... loss of power, poor economy?

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    I see you are in Nundah. take it to the guys at Euroserve ( Newstead ) ..they will probably be able to pin point the trouble quickly and solve it in the most efficient ( $$$ ) way possible and save YOU a lot of angst and mis diagnosis expense.

    In short ask the people who know and can eyeball and touch the beast.

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    Ah, welcome to my world arend101!!
    See this thread:
    Citroen C5 202 Antipollution/catalytic converter.
    You may be lucky that it's just coil faults, but the poor idle and failure of throttle response afflicted both my car and its loaner replacement.
    Currently it's running superbly, with just 4 faults logged this week but none affecting running.

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    mkelly, Why don't you get your car to Continental cars and see what they say about it. They are in Sydney.

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    Thanks for the responses so far. The car's with a mechanic at the moment but as per usual they're having difficulty reproducing the error while the diagnostic comp is attached. Currently on day 3 of attempting to reproduce the error with only one occurrence, of course while the diagnostic unit wasn't attached. The guy thinks it is the coil pack too, but wants to make sure. Best to be thorough with this sort of thing I guess.

    Fritzelhund, do you know if Euroserve work with AWN? The car came with a one year warranty through AWN who asked me to contact the place its currently at (Superior Motor Group).

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    Why don't you ring Cheryl, Ian or Rod on 38521399 and ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsydney View Post
    mkelly, Why don't you get your car to Continental cars and see what they say about it. They are in Sydney.
    Hi Daniel.
    As it happens, they are my dealer! My C5 was sold and serviced by them, and I bought it when traded with 80,000 km and 5 years old.
    Had another incident this morning, which I'll post in the other thread.
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    So I went to pick up the car yesterday. It isn't fixed but is booked in for a transmission diagnostic on the 28th. On the way home the problem with the juddering happened again, except this time when I put it back into drive all sorts of service, fault and error lights came on, there was a cacophony of beeping and the information display helpfully informed me there was a fault in the automatic transmission and that ESP was malfunctioning. The car went into limp home mode, not going out of 1st gear. Turning the engine off and starting up again resolved it and he made it home normally. I'm not moving the car until dropping it off on the 28th. Hopefully there should be some informative errors in the log that'll help resolve this. Right now I just don't trust him to last another journey, which is a shame.

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    So my issues with this car continue. It's back at Superior who roped in the help of Euroserve in the meantime. The issue remains inconclusive, despite the transmission having been checked. The error code reported following the incident in my last post was just a general transmission error, which isn't much to go on. Both the mechanics at Euroserve and Superior can't pinpoint the issue.

    I'm thinking of starting down the long road of diagnosis by replacement and getting the transmission fluid replaced (checks revealed it is pretty old) and the coils replaced to see if that helps any. If the warranty I have on the car would cover rebuilding the transmission I'd just tell them to go ahead, but that's an expensive job and the warranty only covers up to $2,500.

    It is really annoying as I bought this car mainly to do longer trips around Queensland to get to see more of the place than just what I can easily reach with public transport. As it is I have had less than a month's use since getting it. >_<

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    Tadpole,

    I'm really sorry to hear this mate. I mean this because I had one a few years back.

    Came with that AWN as well, which I did not pay for, but was included in the sale and you will find that if it is the same thing I had, everything appears to be covered but in fact nothing really is.

    To be truthful, that car was the biggest heap of absolute and utter shit I have ever owned in my entire life, and that comes from a Citroen lover with ten Cits that have been, gone or stayed.

    Mine cost $8500 in one year in bills, then got hailed on as the final curse. Mine was fours old when I ot it with 55,000ks and one owner. For the first few weeks it was a deam to drive, but you should get about 420 to 40ks out of a tank if you are not a hoon.

    Here is what is the right advice. Do not go near anyone but a trustworthy dealer and try to get some goodwill happening, and call up saying that he'll has broken loose and that you are worried and frightened about the potential damage it will do to your AMEX Gold card, and could take you back to bronze.

    Pay more by the hour in labour to have diagnosed correctly, and actually fixed. Don't stuff around with Caltex or Mobile or Lubemobiles, because they dont have a clue. These cars are designed to go to dealers.

    It does sound like a pack of coils may be the cure you need, but get some coatings first, and I did a single on my car, then another blew and I ended up getting a pack, and relying like biggest on the twelve month warranty. A few months later, one blew again, and thank goodness for the warranty.

    Aother thing to be aware of is the computer itself. I had two c5s at the time, the four cylinder petrol for my wife which I purchased new, and the V6 which was mine. At about 120,000 ks the four cylinder car stared getting weird messages from the computer, one example being that the boot is not shut properly, but it was. McCarrolls where I was going at the time, said it was a classic sign the the computer was on the way out, which was when I traded the car on a C4, and bought the Allianz extended new vehicle warranty for an extra few dollars.

    Another thing to be aware of is the Xenon lights. The globes cost a kings randsom.

    Mine had an oil leak. Also a suspension pipe leak. Front tyres scrubbed out fast and the size is weird and they cost a bomb.

    Driving that car was stressful in the end, not knowing what would appear on the screen. Get used to the words "anti" and "pollution".

    When I got rid of mine, they were literally being given away. That was about three to four years ago, and when I was trying to shift mine, I recall seeing one on the net THEN for $5999.

    And also, mine had rust bubbles around the door frames, that the ten year Citroen anti corrosion warranty would not cover, and I was battling Mr Crighton himself the Ateco CEO. So their corrosion warranty is a crock of you know what as well.

    To repeat myself, take to dealer, hopefully somewhere that knows the meaning of goodwill. If it is Continental, great, but for me it was McCarrolls. Avoid any small place, even so called specialists. You need the right gear for these cars. Make sure you keep records of everything you spend, and with coils, remember that you may have another go whilst under warranty, be aware they have lots crammed into a confined space and they build up heat quickly.

    If you need any more info on my disasterous V6 experience, send me a private email. Some do's and don'ts.

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    I doubt you will get a clear cut answer here, but some thoughts ...

    You can change the ignition coils one by one as opposed to the lot, but it's better to change the rear bank as a set because you need to remove the manifold. Be sure to get the later Delphi coil instead of the original Sagem type. They can be mixed. Keep any known good coils in the boot as spares just in case. If a coil is bad it will idle badly, seem OK under a light throttle, but give a severe shudder around 60-70, especially with a bit of load. Sometimes, there can be air leaks from bad seals on the inlet manifold and also the breather pipes, which crack.

    Probably not your problem, but worth checking. Are the tyres the same type, size and approximate wear? It seems odd, but it's not unknown for tyres with different rolling diameters to cause an ABS/ESP fault because one wheel is turning at a different rate to another. Goodyear Turanza's represent quite good value, but you need to meet the minimum load rating, which is higher on the V6 than the other models.

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    So after much to-ing and fro-ing the issue has been identified as being in the transmission. Apparently from time to time it tries to engage two gears at once. While I applaud my transmission's ambitious nature I am not too happy about hearing how much this is going to cost. $4500 to rebuild the transmission and get my C5 back on the road. Warranty is only going to cover $2500 of that. I was fervently hoping it would be something like the coils which would be relatively cheap to fix.

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    This maybe worth a look. There have been any number of mentions here of all sorts of strange computer messages fault errors which have been linked to a dying battery even though the battery tests OK Much cheaper than a transmisson
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    Arend,

    A baptism of fire just like mine was, but mine wanted more and more.

    Having had many cars prior, I thought that it HAD to end. Swiping the card simply had to stop at a point, but it never did, and it kept producing those lovely messages like anti pollution and more.

    I hope your AWN isn't drained completely by this, and suspect it is.

    When I purchased mine, it came with the entry level product, and perhaps you have opted for a better and more comprehensive version of their product. If so, that was a good move but I would assume minus the cost of the product, the difference to $2500, now the additional money, that you are feeling a bit miffed.

    That is big money in this day and age, especially when these cars aren't big resale value holders, but I sincerely hope that if you decide to keep the car that it provides you with a run of no errors or faults, and happy driving.

    As. Said, I had a window of about three months with mine, before hell broke loose and with relatively low kilometers on the clock.

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