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    Default GS suspension bushes before and after

    This little GS will get to Cit-in somehow but not with the amount of lower arm movement that has been getting increasingly worse. I had the bushes replaced by a local well known specialist less than 2 years ago and they were solid for a couple of weeks and then they got all loose again.

    I noticed perished rubber falling out betwwen the arm mounting so went and discussed with them but they were not willing to have a look. Simply they said that stock lying on a shelf for years can do that. I did not agree as these bushes were in very good condition and should've lasted more than a couple of weeks.

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    Judging by the photos is it reasonable to consider that these are not the same bushes? The front facing is brittle and cracked and a darker yellow with the brand "PAULSTRA". I did not get a clear image of the facing of the NOS parts but can tell from the photo that the facing was a soft silicone in a creamy colour, not aged and yellowed. The rubber was in good condition too and I do not remember any branding.

    Was Paulstra the genuine provider of these parts to Citroen? I just know that these are not the same part but feel I do not have much to prove it and get what I paid for. I paid $200 for the other two bushes, $45 for the second hand arm(with these second hand bushes still inside??) and $255 for labour.

    Please see before and after pictures. I want to go back and see them today but feel I need some advice.

    Cheers, Andy
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    Are you sure they are the correct bushes? They look like they didn't fit snuggly and have moved around trashing the rubber parts. Possibly they were not pre-loaded with the spacing washers allowing them to move in and out of the arms (however they should still have pressed in so tightly they would never move!

    OMG ... $500 for a old lower arm with two new bushes Why didn't you fit it yourself ?? At least that way you know how well (or in my case, how poorly ) the part has been fitted.

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    They are the correct bushes and were in nice and tight, like they had been in there for years all soft and sticky and fused in the arm. What was moving was the inner part of the bush and I have a photo which shows the movement there.
    I got the work done when I had a bit of money and was working so much I didn't have time to do it myself. I also perceived that I would need a huge press and other tools. Part of the cost of labour included welding the front mounting bracked which had cracked. I will never take my cars to anyone that I cannot be present with to do the work now.
    I have found Steeley at Maleny is good like that. He is happy to have me in the workshop doing some of the work and this reduces the cost....I am also learning how to do it for next time if it is a job I'm not confident in. I also have another friend who helped me with the timing belt and cam bearing stuff I did recently, helps that he has the 42mm socket too!
    Should I take it back and ask for a refund??

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    OK it doesn't show how much flex, but with a big screwdriver and not much pressure I could get this to move around quite a bit. Both bushes are absolutely stuffed inside and out.
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    There is not such thing as a good second hand lower arm bush for GS. I had couple of lower arms that felt good on the bench but the bushes deteriorated in two days.
    I made the lower arm bushes from roughly similar size bushes from Autobarn (I think). Even the purists were wagging their fingers in AF they lasted until I sold the car and cost $7 each.
    I am not the only one done so. There was an older gentleman (father of someone in here?) who had done the similar job and they were still fine after 30 000 km. There was a thread about it but it was lost in the flood.
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    Those bushes you left behind I will have to give back as they are the early type. This GS has the later type arms so different bush and doesn't look easily rebuildable. From Chevronics website:http://www.chevronics.co.uk/Chevroni...ts_list_SP.php
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    That's probably why they were left in the glovebox (with a lid) of my GS '78.
    I might have the older type lower arms if you like to use one.
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    Cheers Kimmo, I may have to take you up on that offer. I don't see my chance of getting any resolve over these failed parts by simply dropping in and demanding an explanation. I have told them a few times but they denied my indirect suggestion that maybe my bushes were not fitted...even accidently. What can I do really? I may get the courage to go in there tomorrow.

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    I will have a look what I have. I'm sure I have at least one pair of lower arms.
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    I wouldn't be in a hurry to blame the person that did the work. I can't see how he could have caused the problem (unless of course the new bushes were not fitted). I have purchased suspension parts for the CX that are so bad out of the box, they have been un-usable. Were there bushes genuine citroen bushes?

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    It wouldn't be unusual for Citroen to buy in parts and bag them as their own. Every manufacturer (assembler) does this. I have some new Xsara roll bar bushes that are clearly marked Boge, but are genuine parts. Somewhere around I have a NOS ID rubber steering coupling that's marked Paulstra and has a factory metal tag still on it. So, it may be that Paulstra was/is an OEM supplier.

    I think to be realistic about this, if you had a problem over two years ago, you've now left it a little long to follow it up.

    Also, there appears to be a lot of LHM/oil on that bush, which could make most rubber bushes fail prematurely.

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    I am hesitating to go in and demand anything as I am aware that it has now been almost 2 years. I did mention it to them not long after the work was done and that was when I would have been more wise to insist they take a look. So yeah, I am not in any position to make demands and as I supplied the parts there is of course no warranty or anything.

    I do question whether they are the parts I supplied because they are absolutely knackered and have been since a couple of weeks after fitting. I do not drive the GS much, it is truly a weekend car and I have put up with the arm movement for all this time but I did not want to be involved in any Motorkhana type event at Cit in with the possibility that the whole arm may break away.

    I will have a chat to them without any pre-conceived expectations or accusations and see what they can suggest. If I have to shell out another $200 I can always shell it out to another parts supplier.

    Oh and the reason the bushes look so wet in some of those photos is that I sprayed them with plenty of degreaser, however being a GS there is a likelyhood that they were in constant exposure to leaking oil, but it leaks more on the other side. I did have to brush vigorously to get the gunge off which seems to have been there for some time. Other parts I've cleaned after such a time do not need such mechanical degreasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy N View Post

    I do question whether they are the parts I supplied because they are absolutely knackered and have been since a couple of weeks after fitting. I do not drive the GS much, it is truly a weekend car and I have put up with the arm movement for all this time but I did not want to be involved in any Motorkhana type event at Cit in with the possibility that the whole arm may break away.


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    I will park my vehicle well clear (say 200 metres) of the track if you drive Motorkhana with a dodgy lower bush I still remember how violently the car was moving around when I had a bad lower arm bush

    Anyway, if I take part I will drive like Prestige is supposed to be driven - slowly and gracefully Probably stalling the engine couple of times as well, not gracefully.
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    the father of someone is actually gibgib's dad IIRC - if you give gibgib a message he may be able to get the post replaced.
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    Kimmo is a champion!! He machined some bush inserts this afternoon to go into an older arm so I will see how they go when I fit them tomorrow afternoon. The more I looked at those bushes the more I realised that I didn't have a chance with these guys. Someone suggested I engrave supplied parts in future but I think I will just go to someone who I trust, or better still do the work myself.

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    Andy, here's a photo of a new bush fresh from it's factory bag a few days ago. Looks like Paulstra was an oem supplier in this case. I had just the one and donated it to a GS owner.

    Good to hear you got the GS sorted out anyhow.
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    That is what the bushes looked like when I supplied them to the specialist and two weeks later they were ruined. The ones I fitted with Kimmo's help secure the arm well although they transmit much harshness.
    I will get around to ordering some later types when I take the engine out and restore the front suspension.
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    The later type bushes has got 5 times more rubber. No wonder the give smoother ride
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