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    Hey everyone

    When I first got my EFI I saw the number from the factory is still on my car, I was wondering if there is any way I could trace the number to get more info on my car and what year is was manufactured? I used the chassis number to see which year is was built, it came down to late 1970 to early 1971, I'd like to narrow it down, but most important where it was assembled. Maby a French assembled or maby an English assembled DS.

    I'd like to know the country of assembly most of all.

    Henno (rigvdm) Sent me a link about a D cabriolet being restored in America, and in that blog the author wrote that he traced the factory number and it was french assembled but not sure if it's a Chapron or the factory ones, anyway I'd like to know where it was built/assembled

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    On the plate the number 75 indicates: SEINE ie PARIS, the letters TT mean Transit Temporaire on a red plate means that car was sold to someone outside the european community on a temporary permit to drive in France prior to Export, possibly South Africa. Looking at the square tail lights, I don't think it is a Slough car, so almost for sure a French built DS.

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    Thanks

    That's just about what I wanted to know

    So it's sort of not a factory number but more a license plate... All of the "More special" cars in South Africa that I know of have this kind of plate. By special cars I mean all Semi auto's All EFI's and just about all DS21's, that's apart from the few who had their 20 engine changed to a 21 as a special request.

    This car would have been a private import? I don't think if Citroen themselves imported the car they would have put this number on?

    Thanks again for the info Harrisson_Citroën

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    What Harrison Citroen said...

    They still issue "red" numberplates - mainly for tourists who lease cars within France, but are not residents of the country - eg Peugeot Eurodrive program!

    As to why your car may have a set - Potentially he/she purchased the car in Paris, drove it in Europe for an extended period of time and then had it shipped back to the Transvaal!

    Speculating as to why all of the cars in South Africa of the same vintage have those plates - maybe there was no official importer or they were parallel imports - purchased in France on concessional registration and brought back to South Africa in that manner!

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    I agree

    Most cars like I said about the "special cars" must have been private imports. We only had DS19 20 and 23. No official imports of EFI's or 21's by Citroen South Africa.

    The amount of cars with these numbers are not hundreds but I saw about 8 with the numbers...

    So it must have been private imports, the year model of the cars range from 1967 to 1975.

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    I don't want to hijack this thread but I too have been curious about the original number plate that my 66 wears.. 6102 WW275 can you shed any insight? Plates front and rear are white script on black.

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    Plates front and rear are white script on black.
    And on his car, they are painted on, just as the pic in the top of this thread was.

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    Ready to be corrected on this, but from what I've observed on trips to France, WW plates seem to be a type of dealer plate. What the 2 is before the region code 75 (Paris) I don't know, and the WW plates I've seen are often very roughly painted.
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    G'day,
    try sending an email to Citroen, quoting all the numbers you can find, chassis, engine, body etc. I sent one to VW about a 1981 Golf I had, they replied with the day of manufacture, the day it was sent to England and the name of the English dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce H View Post
    Ready to be corrected on this, but from what I've observed on trips to France, WW plates seem to be a type of dealer plate. What the 2 is before the region code 75 (Paris) I don't know, and the WW plates I've seen are often very roughly painted.
    There was a time in France where the majority of number plates where hand painted. And ALL french number plates where silver or white paint on black. Admittedly some where cut out silver metal numbers and letters stuck on a black backgrounds.

    Later on in the 70's reflective plates white on front and yellow at the rear were progressively introduced.

    WW number plates were cars driven from the dealer to another destination without being "properly" registered yet, so yes a kind of dealer plate I guess. So yours would have been delivered then another plate screwed on top of it.

    How do I know that? Because I'm old that's why.

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    No no no no Harrison_Citroen, you're not old just wise.

    I haven't attempted to send Citroen details about my car, but I'll try, recently I saw a form where you have to pay 25 euros then Citroen will trace your car's full history, but you must have it registered in your name and I think licensed...

    My car was scrapped so it sort of belong to no one. I have to re-register the car which can take up to a year or even more....

    I'll just give them an email with the full description of the car and pictures of the car itself, maby they'll help us?

    Tim are we going to try our luck with them?

    Doubt if I'll have that luck this time. waterpump in the Safari seized and "rusty" had the feared bonnet accident , what did they say about accidents come in three??

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    Hi Corne, I have confirmation of what a WW plate is used for:

    CPI WW
    Il est délivré dans les cas suivants :
    Les véhicules neufs vendus incomplets aux fins de carrossage,
    les véhicules neufs ou d'occasion importés dont le dossier de demande d'immatriculation est incomplet,
    Les véhicules neufs destinés à l'exportation.
    Le certificat provisoire d'immatriculation WW permet de circuler 1 mois et peut être prorogé une fois sur présentation d'un document justificatif de la demande



    WW plates are used in the following circumstances:

    New vehicles sold incomplete with a view to altering the body (I guess motorvans etc..)
    New or Used vehicles imported and of which the formalities are not complete.
    New vehicles destined to be exported.
    The WW plates allow you to drive for a month maximum.

    So it looks like your car was registered like this prior to exporting.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorneSoutAfrica View Post

    Tim are we going to try our luck with them?

    I'm willing to give it a shot, can anyone point me where to email Citroen? Is there an archives division or something?

    Hotrodelectric mentioned to me on the phone to get in touch with the Citroen Conservatois? Pronounced the way you say Francois.. And they could provide all the details of original manufacture and delivery..

    Let me know!
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    I just have to get to the work computer, the form is on there. I had a look at the French website of Citroen but the conservotoire will probably be a better bet. I'll forward it to you

    How is Bill (Hotrodelectric) doing? Haven't heared or seen him online in a long while, he ok?

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    The other feature of the red plate scheme is that the cars sold and bought back on those red plate temporary purchases, escape tax on resale. That is one of the reasons why those "leasing" arrangements are such good value. The cars were sometimes auctioned afterwards or just registered that way by people intending to drive them out of France, never to return.
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    Thanks Gerry for the info

    Sounds quite practical with the number system on cars in France...

    Monday I'll contact them and see if they are willing to help, that is if I still want to know after monday and the car is still in one piece, the car is testing my patience

    Cheers
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    1974 DS Pallas Sable metalisse My first restoration (Edith) Now BVH
    1973 DS pallas Metallic red. "Rusty"

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    Thanks Gerry I'll be contacting them too.

    Bill was doing well last I spoke with him, just busy and hadn't been online in a while..

    Let me know how you make out Corne!
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    And remember, if the women don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy!

    The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself..

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